If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

What? That isn't answering the question at all.

The post appears moronic given the topic that's being discussed. No wonder the Labour party's in disarray if that's an indication of the level of debate which is being had.

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

Surprised there's not more morning after the night before chat going on.

Are people happy with the deal?

I'm surprised they managed to get seven years for migrant benefits.

so in seven years time the UK has nothing : I guess 4 years is a long time in politics

and of course it applies to no-one already here and only applies for 4 years to each new arrival
and of course it doesn't apply to unemployment benefits, housing benefits, disability benefits, child allowances, access to NHS etc etc

and of course the brake can only be applied if there is 'excess pressure' which clearly there isn't

it will never be applied and even if it did it amounts to virtually nothing

michaels

Don't tax credits and housing benefit almost work as either / or benefits, if you get less tax credits you qualify for more housing benefit?

Generali

Moby wrote: »

'A marathon round of talks over two days, during which the prime minister managed just three hours of sleep in the early hours of yesterday morning, led to an agreement for the UK shortly after 9pm yesterday.'................

Utter nonsense...!The script had already been written, the agreements already made; what we saw was the window dressing to give the illusion of 'St Dave' winning against overwhelming odds....
The EU want us to stay (providing the price is acceptable) and the best way is to give the 'IN' faction in the UK the illusion that the UK has somehow won a victory...
By the way when do Call me Dave's reforms get written into the Lisbon Treaty so they cannot be overturned if we vote to stay? We can't trust Cameron with his track record of lying to us on major issues:


"not enough is being done to tackle tax evasion"
"I'll cut immigration or kick me out"
"I'll publish my tax return"
"No cuts to front line services"
"We have absolutely no plans to raise VAT"
"I wouldn't means-test it" (Child benefit)
"We'll be the greenest government ever"
“local people would not be cut out or ignored” (fracking)
"no more top-down reorganisations" (NHS)
"we don't have any plans to get rid of them" (Education maintenance allowances)
"no plans to change" (Future jobs fund abolished in 2010)
"Its not going to fall." (Cameron on child tax credit)
“The third runway at Heathrow is not going ahead, no ifs, no buts,” Oct 2009.
"there are about 70,000 Syrian opposition fighters on the ground who do not belong to extremist groups.”
"I'm not going to pay the £1.7 billion being demanded by the EU"
"We are creating a new era of transparency"
"New pensions tax will only affect the very wealthy":rotfl:

And you get upset with the Corbyn thread! Hypocrite.

prosaver

The deal wont get passed in the EU " houses of parliament".
wet paper bag come to mind

wotsthat

michaels wrote: »

Lets ask a different question. How many eu leaders do you think have gone home and fessed up that actually they were defeated in the negotiations and had to give up on their principles and accept that red lines had been crossed?

I suspect that 27(?) stunning victories just like Mr Cameron's have been scored.

We knew years ago how these negotiations would go down. i.e. beyond the last minute and everyone involved would be victorious.

Hopefully, now the pantomime is over, Cameron calls the earliest possible date for a referendum so, whatever the result, we can move on.

mayonnaise

The European front pages underline the major concessions done to Cameron. Le Monde even states it might be the start of a EU 'a la carte'.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2016/02/20/brexit-cameron-arrache-un-accord-a-bruxelles_4868811_3214.html

Au bout de près de trente heures d’une n!gociation quasiment continue, le premier ministre britannique a arrach! à des partenaires press!s d’en finir ce qu’il qualifie, sur un ton triomphant, de « statut sp!cial » pour le Royaume-Uni.

Die Welt confirms the major concessions made by the EU.

Nach dem Marathon-Gipfel in Brüssel präsentiert sich David Cameron als Sieger. In einem zweitägigen Kraftakt rang er den EU-Partnern Zugeständnisse ab.

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article152447019/Grossbritannien-wird-niemals-Teil-eines-EU-Superstaates.html


The Daily Mail headline is:

Call that a deal, Dave?

:rotfl:

Moby

mwpt wrote: »

What? That isn't answering the question at all.

I'm saying YES it was stage managed!

Cameron was always going to do a deal. We know that. The issues he raised are trivial and after a suitable amount of wrangling he got some of what he wanted.

For those of us who are pro-Europe and many of the Europhobes it was all a warm up for the referendum so we can agree that Dave wasted a lot of people's time for no good reason. On everything else there is a canyon of difference between us.

This referendum will decide what kind of country we will be for many decades. If we stay in the casual racists and xenophobes brought up when such things were an acceptable part of our culture will continue to die off. The neo-Thatcherite cohort will be replaced by people very comfortable with being both British and European. The generation after that will not understand the meaning of the arguments we are having now.

None of the economic arguments being bandied about are really what this is all about. Rather like the Scottish referendum it is about identity. There have been similar debates about identity and sovereignty in other countries.

The difference for them and particularly their older citizens is they have direct experience of what happens when European countries start fighting each other. European and particularly Western European countries have been moving towards "Ever Closer Union" since the Treaty of Rome was signed.

We have to decide whether we want to put aside our ludicrous exceptionalism, our perception of a separate history and our prejudice and be part of this historic process. Of course the EU has faults - the Euro being the most obvious and pressing but guess what - the UK can help sort those issues out even if we don't join the Euro - but we need to engage positively with our partners instead of constantly thinking that they are all out to do us down - they aren't!

wotsthat

mayonnaise wrote: »

The European front pages underline the major concessions done to Cameron. Le Monde even states it might be the start of a EU 'a la carte'.

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2016/02/20/brexit-cameron-arrache-un-accord-a-bruxelles_4868811_3214.html

Die Welt confirms the major concessions made by the EU.

http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article152447019/Grossbritannien-wird-niemals-Teil-eines-EU-Superstaates.html


The Daily Mail headline is:
:rotfl:

I'm amazed anyone still buys the Daily Mail. It's just Loot with pretend news. I wish they'd all go online only so I didn't even have to see their grubby headlines when I fill up the car.

I'm praying for June to keep the nonsense to a minimum.

prosaver

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm amazed anyone still buys the Daily Mail. It's just Loot with pretend news. I wish they'd all go online only so I didn't even have to see their grubby headlines when I fill up the car.

I'm praying for June to keep the nonsense to a minimum.

I get it for the tv guide only on saturday and for a few chuckles as they try and depress me:D
That was funny ''call that a deal, dave'':rotfl: