If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

China was definitely in a hurry to modernise the economy, and yet despite having a primitive one party state they have managed to sustain 2 decades of continuous growth which puts most of the Western economies to shame.

Or don't they count under "all political entities"?

China started from a very low level though. Growing your economy at 10% a year when GDP per head is $4,000 is very different to growing your economy when GDP per capita is $40,000.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

China started from a very low level though. Growing your economy at 10% a year when GDP per head is $4,000 is very different to growing your economy when GDP per capita is $40,000.

Perhaps the task was easier but that doesn't necessarily mean it is easier to manage the expectations of the workforce.

If China had been a member state of a SE Asian version of the EU, doubtless the prevailing economic advice would have been for half a billion Chinese workers to move to their wealthier Japanese neighbour.

Perhaps privately, these other growing nations don't think the EU is a model worth much; certainly not worth replicating.

Moby

So whilst we watch the Chinese economy in slow free-fall, the world economy also slowing, bad debts in the banks starting to rise, the effects of low commodity prices crippling even the richest producers....... for the next few months the attention of British politicians and the press will be on a referendum that Cameron only proposed because of fear over the rise of Ukip prior to the last election.
Given the polls at the time, I feel sure that he never expected to be held to the commitment - something that would have vanished in any coalition deal.
But now he is stuck with it, has gone through a charade of obtaining 'concessions' from the rest of an undoubtedly exasperated EU leadership, faced as they are with real issues in the form of refugees, economic slowdown in the EZ etc., and is putting these negligible proposals to the electorate as if they are a game-changer in our relationship with the EU.
What a shambles!

Generali

Moby wrote: »

So whilst we watch the Chinese economy in slow free-fall, the world economy also slowing, bad debts in the banks starting to rise, the effects of low commodity prices crippling even the richest producers....... for the next few months the attention of British politicians and the press will be on a referendum that Cameron only proposed because of fear over the rise of Ukip prior to the last election.
Given the polls at the time, I feel sure that he never expected to be held to the commitment - something that would have vanished in any coalition deal.
But now he is stuck with it, has gone through a charade of obtaining 'concessions' from the rest of an undoubtedly exasperated EU leadership, faced as they are with real issues in the form of refugees, economic slowdown in the EZ etc., and is putting these negligible proposals to the electorate as if they are a game-changer in our relationship with the EU.
What a shambles!

This is a completely meaningless rant.

Absolutely anything that Mr Cameron could do in any circumstance would be a shambles concocted by a pig botherer in your opinion. He could save a child from drowning and you'd hate him for it.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

So whilst we watch the Chinese economy in slow free-fall, the world economy also slowing, bad debts in the banks starting to rise, the effects of low commodity prices crippling even the richest producers....... for the next few months the attention of British politicians and the press will be on a referendum that Cameron only proposed because of fear over the rise of Ukip prior to the last election.
Given the polls at the time, I feel sure that he never expected to be held to the commitment - something that would have vanished in any coalition deal.
But now he is stuck with it, has gone through a charade of obtaining 'concessions' from the rest of an undoubtedly exasperated EU leadership, faced as they are with real issues in the form of refugees, economic slowdown in the EZ etc., and is putting these negligible proposals to the electorate as if they are a game-changer in our relationship with the EU.
What a shambles!

lets get back to real issues rather than your meaningless juxtaposition of random ideas:
what exactly is Labour's policy for dealing with the slow free fall in Chinese economy?
Or indeed their policy for dealing with the economic problems of the EZ?

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

There won't be a UK for long if the vote is to leave.

We are frequently told that an independent Scotland is just a matter of time in another thread, regardless of the EU indy ref.

wymondham

Now this has occurred, is there anywhere I can look/read which gives entirely spin free commentary on what each camp offers/does not offer? I'd like to be fully informed about it all without any politics/spin involved..... just the facts ma'am!

kabayiri

wymondham wrote: »

Now this has occurred, is there anywhere I can look/read which gives entirely spin free commentary on what each camp offers/does not offer? I'd like to be fully informed about it all without any politics/spin involved..... just the facts ma'am!

IMO, nope/nada/ne rien.

Take the remain case. The EU has changed significantly in just the last decade and a half. I have no idea personally where it will be in just a decade's time. The Euro could have collapsed. The concept of open borders could have been consigned to the history books as the impact of mass migration beings in protectionism.

Just what can we rely on?

wymondham

first bit of scouting around for facts:

Is it true that the agreement Cameron has is not legally binding at all, so open to changes and being dropped altogether?

michaels

Moby wrote: »

So whilst we watch the Chinese economy in slow free-fall, the world economy also slowing, bad debts in the banks starting to rise, the effects of low commodity prices crippling even the richest producers....... for the next few months the attention of British politicians and the press will be on a referendum that Cameron only proposed because of fear over the rise of Ukip prior to the last election.
Given the polls at the time, I feel sure that he never expected to be held to the commitment - something that would have vanished in any coalition deal.
But now he is stuck with it, has gone through a charade of obtaining 'concessions' from the rest of an undoubtedly exasperated EU leadership, faced as they are with real issues in the form of refugees, economic slowdown in the EZ etc., and is putting these negligible proposals to the electorate as if they are a game-changer in our relationship with the EU.
What a shambles!

I agree, the proletariat have not yet been brought to a level of consciousness where we could trust them to take a decision on import matters.