If we vote for Brexit what happens

michaels

wymondham wrote: »

first bit of scouting around for facts:

Is it true that the agreement Cameron has is not legally binding at all, so open to changes and being dropped altogether?

As far as I know Europe is governed by treaty - will there be any treaty changes?

wymondham

michaels wrote: »

As far as I know Europe is governed by treaty - will there be any treaty changes?

no idea.... it would be good to know if this is true though as if it is then he's just wasted his time surely?

wotsthat

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-factbox-idUKKCN0VS2SH

Text of agreement above according to Reuters.

I'm glad I'd already made up my mind up to save having to worry about the contents.

wymondham

wotsthat wrote: »

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-factbox-idUKKCN0VS2SH

Text of agreement above according to Reuters.

I'm glad I'd already made up my mind up to save having to worry about the contents.

thanks for this. is it legally binding?

wotsthat

wymondham wrote: »

thanks for this. is it legally binding?

It looks like an EU Decision and these are legally binding. Don't know for sure because it's not on the Europa web site yet.

Hasbeen

kabayiri wrote: »

We are frequently told that an independent Scotland is just a matter of time in another thread, regardless of the EU indy ref.

Only when the amount of ignorant voter's outnumber the intelligent ones?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

lets get back to real issues rather than your meaningless juxtaposition of random ideas:
what exactly is Labour's policy for dealing with the slow free fall in Chinese economy?
Or indeed their policy for dealing with the economic problems of the EZ?

Where in my post exactly did I mention the Labour Party? Take your rambling incoherent posts elsewhere!

Cameron is arguably the worst PM in living memory he got lucky over playing the Politics of Fear with the Scottish referendum and Europe could be his death knell....hopefully! That clown Boris Johnson is still hesitating Yes or No.....calculating his choice not on principle but which option is likely to give him an edge............ putting his own self interests before those of the general public !! Grayling coudn't wait to get in front of the cameras could he. What a bunch of chancers they are. We can now look forward to four months of this spectacle. Also I also don't see how UK can think itself entitled to claim all these opt-outs and special clauses - and still be a full member of the EU. What entitles UK to special treatment over all the other members. When Cameron calls us special.....exactly what does he mean? His arrogance will win us no friends.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Where in my post exactly did I mention the Labour Party? Take your rambling incoherent posts elsewhere!

Cameron is arguably the worst PM in living memory he got lucky over playing the Politics of Fear with the Scottish referendum and Europe could be his death knell....hopefully! That clown Boris Johnson is still hesitating Yes or No.....calculating his choice not on principle but which option is likely to give him an edge............ putting his own self interests before those of the general public !! Grayling coudn't wait to get in front of the cameras could he. What a bunch of chancers they are. We can now look forward to four months of this spectacle. Also I also don't see how UK can think itself entitled to claim all these opt-outs and special clauses - and still be a full member of the EU. What entitles UK to special treatment over all the other members. When Cameron calls us special.....exactly what does he mean? His arrogance will win us no friends.

Only a post or so ago you were commenting how the (centralised communist, authoritarian) China was going downhill, and you also commented on how the (centralised corrupt ) EU was going downhill too, but you forgot to say how well the (neoliberal, diverse, generous) UK was doing with falling unemployment , rising GDP etc) all under Cameron and his chancellor.

And all the time the Labour party has no policies on virtually all issues except to re-open the mines, spend billions on a nuclear deterrent which isn't nuclear, borrow billions more and (for the top people) to continue to support IRA, the killing of millions under their heroes the communists. And of yourself who is too afraid to give your own view on any important topics.

Rather than discuss the issues you prefer personal abuse like referring to 'porkie' and referring to boris as a clown.

lvader

Moby wrote: »

Where in my post exactly did I mention the Labour Party? Take your rambling incoherent posts elsewhere!

Cameron is arguably the worst PM in living memory he got lucky over playing the Politics of Fear with the Scottish referendum and Europe could be his death knell....hopefully! That clown Boris Johnson is still hesitating Yes or No.....calculating his choice not on principle but which option is likely to give him an edge............ putting his own self interests before those of the general public !! Grayling coudn't wait to get in front of the cameras could he. What a bunch of chancers they are. We can now look forward to four months of this spectacle. Also I also don't see how UK can think itself entitled to claim all these opt-outs and special clauses - and still be a full member of the EU. What entitles UK to special treatment over all the other members. When Cameron calls us special.....exactly what does he mean? His arrogance will win us no friends.

You seem a confused, bitter, angry person with lots of hate and no solutions. It's the job of the PM to promote UK interests and to try to secure a better deal. You think all the other EU heads of state don't lobby for their own interests as well?

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

Where in my post exactly did I mention the Labour Party? Take your rambling incoherent posts elsewhere!...

Come off it. You can't spent your time on here being the Labour Party's numero uno cheerleader and not expect somebody to bring that up.

Now what were you saying about rambling, incoherent posts.:rotfl:

Moby wrote: »

...Cameron is arguably the worst PM in living memory....

Don't be silly we've only recently got rid of Brown. A PM so incompetent he had to get Mandelson to bail him out, and a man already rated as a worse PM than Heath or Callaghan, and they were both pretty bad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7923790/Gordon-Brown-third-worst-PM-since-1945-poll-of-historians-finds.html