If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

Come off it. You can't spent your time on here being the Labour Party's numero uno cheerleader and not expect somebody to bring that up.

Now what were you saying about rambling, incoherent posts.:rotfl:



Don't be silly we've only recently got rid of Brown. A PM so incompetent he had to get Mandelson to bail him out, and a man already rated as a worse PM than Heath or Callaghan, and they were both pretty bad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7923790/Gordon-Brown-third-worst-PM-since-1945-poll-of-historians-finds.html

Where in my posts do I say I am the Labour Party's number one cheerleader? My posts on this thread have been about call me Dave...... and the politics of Brexit. Dont try and twist things to suit your own agenda.

Moby

lvader wrote: »

You seem a confused, bitter, angry person with lots of hate and no solutions. It's the job of the PM to promote UK interests and to try to secure a better deal. You think all the other EU heads of state don't lobby for their own interests as well?

I'm not confused or bitter. I'm clear in what I say and in what I believe. I dont believe Cameron is promoting UK interests. I believe his policy is motivated by the need to deal with internal tory divisions. He is both alienating other heads of state by doing this and actually damaging UK interests in the process and thats why I am angry. Many people have this view it doesn't make me bitter.

prosaver

Moby wrote: »

Im not confused or bitter. Im clear in what I say and in what I believe. I dont believe Cameron is promoting UK interests. I believe he is motivated by the need to deal with internal tory divisions and because he is alienating other heads of state by doing this he is damaging UK interests and thats why I am angry.

dont get angry get the facts ,, they are hidden, why?

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Only a post or so ago you were commenting how the (centralised communist, authoritarian) China was going downhill, and you also commented on how the (centralised corrupt ) EU was going downhill too, but you forgot to say how well the (neoliberal, diverse, generous) UK was doing with falling unemployment , rising GDP etc) all under Cameron and his chancellor.

And all the time the Labour party has no policies on virtually all issues except to re-open the mines, spend billions on a nuclear deterrent which isn't nuclear, borrow billions more and (for the top people) to continue to support IRA, the killing of millions under their heroes the communists. And of yourself who is too afraid to give your own view on any important topics.

Rather than discuss the issues you prefer personal abuse like referring to 'porkie' and referring to boris as a clown.

Ohhhhh I see now........ because I didnt talk about or say the things you think I should I'm out of line:rotfl:. I repeat........ Just in case its not clear enough for you.....you may think I neglect to say things but you don't get to define the terms of the debate despite what you think;) If you dont like what I say and when and how I say it put me on ignore.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Ohhhhh I see now........ because I didnt talk about or say the things you think I should I'm out of line:rotfl:. I repeat........ Just in case its not clear enough for you.....you may think I neglect to say things but you don't get to define the terms of the debate despite what you think;) If you dont like what I say and when and how I say it put me on ignore.

Spoken like a true Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott acolyte.
Just stick to personal abuse of poor old porkie and absolutely refuse to discuss any politics like IRA support or justifying the death of 50 million (non white og course) people and consider it quite absurd to discuss Corbyn view on brexit.
The left have a long history of being fellow travellers of really quite vile crimes. I see that Ken Livingstone now openly supports the vile Soviet era repression: are you a mate of his too?

antrobus

lvader wrote: »

We can negotiate about trade barriers directly with the country concerned, or we can deal with them through the EU. We may do both. See the case study on Helping scotch whisky sales in Colombia by overcoming a trade barrier.

And in that case;

An example of how we dealt with a trade barrier, relating to the sale of Scotch whisky in Colombia, through the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/helping-scotch-whiskey-sales-in-colombia-overcoming-trade-barriers

In any event that link you cited is all about 'dealing with a trade barrier'; i.e. how to enforce existing trade agreements. It doesn't change the fact that the EU has exclusivity in negotiating trade agreements in the first place.

antrobus

.string. wrote: »

....The two documents appear in conflict, but maybe not. I interpret them as meaning that the EU is responsible for EU Trade agreements, while individual countries have the options of either having their own trade deal, or using the EU umbrella. The latter happened with the UK sponsored trade deal with the US which is in process I believe.

I've not yet confirmation of that; has anyone else?

A trade deal is something different from a trade agreement.

The original poster stated that "Member states don't have the power or freedom to negotiate their own trade agreements." That is perfectly correct.

The EU is a customs union; there is a common external tariff. It's the common commercial policy. It's in the treaty.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/policy-making/index_en.htm

None of that however, prevents some politician from wandering off to China (or wherever) and announcing some 'trade deal' worth billions of pounds.

mystic_trev

gfplux

Perhaps Clapton and Moby could go off and start a new thread that only they would contribute to and leave the name calling out of this thread.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

Perhaps Clapton and Moby could go off and start a new thread that only they would contribute to and leave the name calling out of this thread.

I consider it perfect legitimate to discuss the policies of the Labour leaders and discuss labour policies toward the EU.
Whilst I agree that Labour may be cast into the darkness for 20 years, there is still the possibility that rational people may regain control and so you shouldn't write them off just yet.