If we vote for Brexit what happens

antrobus

Ripped-Off wrote: »

If we left the EU, could we not join the EFTA and retain membership of the EEA; be more like Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein....'EU Lite' as it were. ...

Possibly.

Ripped-Off wrote: »

...This should make it possible to keep tariff free trade with the EU, but more importantly, restore British sovereignty. The only drawback with this is the borders issue. Immigrants, I believe, would still retain the right to work here and claim benefits.....

The 'loss of sovereignty' arises because of EEA membership. The EU makes the rules. EEA members are (supposed) to obey.

Ripped-Off wrote: »

...Interestingly, Liechtenstein, which is a member of the single market, has the right to restrict the residency of EU citizens through specific sections of European Economic Area Agreement. Could we not do the same?

There is no reason why the UK could not seek such an agreement. Whether the rest of the EEA would concede such a demand is another question.

Generali wrote: »

...Let's face it, nobody gives a flying fox about Liechtenstein. The UK is a rather different beast and to imagine that they could just kinda fly in under the radar is a ridiculous notion quite frankly.

Liechtenstein has a population of some 37,000. There are apparently 2 million EU citizens working in the UK, which amounts to something like 54 Liechtensteins worth of people. I am therefore inclined to agree that no one gives about flying fox about the terms of Liechtenstein's membership of Schengen and how they are applied.

antrobus

michaels wrote: »

We produce about 1.5m cars a year and buy about 2.5m. Surely matching tariffs on vehicle inputs with the EU would help rather than hinder (or be it we would have to choose Nissans and Toyotas rather than BMWs and VWs)

Depends on lots of things, such as the relative elasticity of demand, whilst both Nissan and Toyota have manufacturing plants elsewhere in the EU amd might switch production there.

Moby

lvader wrote: »

So what do you want, stand for? You seen to oppose the referendum but want brexit. How does that work?

I was against the referendum........and will vote to stay in. I fear Brexit a lot!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I was against the referendum........and will vote to stay in. I fear Brexit a lot!

of course you were
the left has always disliked democracy and favour big centalised unaccountable elites.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

the left has always disliked democracy and favour big centalised unaccountable elites.

The problem with that theory is I am right of centre (support low taxes, small government, less benefits, etc), was also against the referendum, and will vote to stay in.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

of course you were
the left has always disliked democracy and favour big centalised unaccountable elites.

But it's a big centalised unaccountable elite commited to an "open market economy with free competition". Goodness knows why Moby is so keen on it.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The problem with that theory is I am right of centre (support low taxes, small government, less benefits, etc), was also against the referendum, and will vote to stay in.

the fact that the left is always in favour of big centralised unaccountable elites, does not imply that some other people are against democracy too :
if you say you are against democracy then I have no reason to doubt you.
I am pleased however, that you will use your democratic right to vote, even if you would deprive others of that opportunity.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

of course you were
the left has always disliked democracy and favour big centalised unaccountable elites.

You are beginning to make me feel like Dalton Trumbo Clapton. Are you going to report me to the House for Un-British Activities Committee. Can I say goodbye to my wife before I get the knock on the door?:)

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

But it's a big centalised unaccountable elite commited to an "open market economy with free competition". Goodness knows why Moby is so keen on it.

I like the Social Chapter bit and I'm generally thinking long term. By that I mean I look forward to a time when national boundaries are looked on as an anachronism. I know we are not there yet but it's the idealist in me.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I like the Social Chapter bit and I'm generally thinking long term. By that I mean I look forward to a time when national boundaries are looked on as an anachronism. I know we are not there yet but it's the idealist in me.

we used to have a lot fewer national boundaries
Roman empire, British Empire, Soviet empire
but in the mean time you can be against democracy and letting people vote on important issues
but that's the idealist in you