If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

Good to see Boris supporting the Leave campaign.

Momentum building.

Marktheshark

Social renting landlords stand to lose heavily in a brexit, thats what scares BTL landlords

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

we used to have a lot fewer national boundaries
Roman empire, British Empire, Soviet empire
but in the mean time you can be against democracy and letting people vote on important issues
but that's the idealist in you

What's your position on the issue Clapton?
Are you with Boris?
Who else is delighted that the future of the UK has become a plaything for the political careers of a handful of jostling Tories?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

What's your position on the issue Clapton?
Are you with Boris?
Who else is delighted that the future of the UK has become a plaything for the political careers of a handful of jostling Tories?

I believe in a democratic choice so the people of the UK can decide.
It seems very simple to me but I would expect the left to ignore the people as much as possible : they have a long history of suppressing democracy.
I appreciate it a difficult concept for you and the labour leadership that favour autocratic centralised rule, but the decision will be made by the people of the UK.
If you are asking me how I will vote, I will vote for the people of the UK to control their own laws on all matters.

Although you haven't asked, I will add that I loath the IRA and don't think killing 50 million Chinese people was an acceptable price to pay nor do I think that the soviet empire was reasonable.

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

I like the Social Chapter bit and I'm generally thinking long term. ...

The EU is a long term project. They're working hard to get that single market working. Removing all those barriers to free competition takes time.

Moby wrote: »

...By that I mean I look forward to a time when national boundaries are looked on as an anachronism. I know we are not there yet but it's the idealist in me.

So that's a big no for the Cuban model.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Good to see Boris supporting the Leave campaign.

Momentum building.

Boris is definitely a boost for the leavers.
But to see it as anything other than positioning for the Conservative Leadership and potentially being PM, would be naive.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Boris is definitely a boost for the leavers.
But to see it as anything other than positioning for the Conservative Leadership and potentially being PM, would be naive.

why won't he have been a potential PM if he was a stay?

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

we used to have a lot fewer national boundaries - Roman empire, British Empire, Soviet empire....

I'm not so sure about the Soviets. They had internal passports, and you weren't supposed to live anywhere without official permission. In fact, I think people who moved about the place willy-nilly were regarded as social parastites and shipped off to a gulag somewhere cold.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

I believe in a democratic choice so the people of the UK can decide.
It seems very simple to me but I would expect the left to ignore the people as much as possible : they have a long history of suppressing democracy.
I appreciate it a difficult concept for you and the labour leadership that favour autocratic centralised rule, but the decision will be made by the people of the UK.
If you are asking me how I will vote, I will vote for the people of the UK to control their own laws on all matters.

Although you haven't asked, I will add that I loath the IRA and don't think killing 50 million Chinese people was an acceptable price to pay nor do I think that the soviet empire was reasonable.

Not that I am answerable to you but just for the record I consider myself a Social Democrat. Of course your post above is absolute rubbish because your distorted and puerile views of what the left stands for are reminiscent of McCarthyite 50's America and we all know how that turned out! You seem to live in a Colonel Blimp world peopled by imaginary threats, repeating the same cliches again and again.
I also find it strange how you reference everything you say against a twisted supposition of my beliefs....which is entirely inaccurate by the way. But since you made the point and just for the record I loathe the IRA and Chairman Mao as well and I also loathe Pinochet, Franco, Hitler, Mussolini, Noriega, Salazar, Papadopolous, Horthy, Petain, Quisling and all the nasty fascists in Africa, (too numerous to mention) and all that they stood for.
It also gives me satisfaction that in June I will be voting for the progressive, modernising option that is inclusive and embraces diversity rather than the narrow bigoted fearful view of the world epitomised by your 1950's throwback hero Nigel Farage.;)

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

why won't he have been a potential PM if he was a stay?

The theory is that BoJo is going to campaign for No on the basis that he thinks that Yes will win, on the basis that all the No supporters will then support him in the leadership contest.

Moby wrote: »

...Who else is delighted that the future of the UK has become a plaything for the political careers of a handful of jostling Tories?

Makes a change from the UK being a plaything for the political careers of a handful of jostling Labourites, I suppose. You know, Brown being all anti-euro just to get up Blair's nose, ye olde Viscount Stansgate hoping to topple Wilson in the good old days.