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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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A trade deal is something different from a trade agreement.
The original poster stated that "Member states don't have the power or freedom to negotiate their own trade agreements." That is perfectly correct.
The EU is a customs union; there is a common external tariff. It's the common commercial policy. It's in the treaty.
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/policy-making/index_en.htm
None of that however, prevents some politician from wandering off to China (or wherever) and announcing some 'trade deal' worth billions of pounds.
Trade agreement isn't a standard term covered by any international law. Besides even if you use the narrow meaning it's still not correct. The UK still hold trade agreements with other countries.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-bilateral-trade-relations-business-opportunities
If the UK leaves the EU, it doesn't have to renegotiate trade agreements with other nations outside of the EU because they are already in place as a UK agreement.0 -
I'm not confused or bitter. I'm clear in what I say and in what I believe. I dont believe Cameron is promoting UK interests. I believe his policy is motivated by the need to deal with internal tory divisions. He is both alienating other heads of state by doing this and actually damaging UK interests in the process and thats why I am angry. Many people have this view it doesn't make me bitter.
The EU negotiations and referendum were part of the election manifest, presumably if he didn't do these things labour supporters would be happy and wouldn't point to him breaking his promise?:rotfl:
On the other hand the Labour leader doesn't listen to his MP's and has ripped up the Labour manifesto.0 -
The EU negotiations and referendum were part of the election manifest, presumably if he didn't do these things labour supporters would be happy and wouldn't point to him breaking his promise?:rotfl:
....But why did he include the pledge in his manifesto in the first place?......to minimise tory splits of course!
Boris is apparently going to announce his conversion to the Brexit camp in his Sunday Torygraph column this evening. Wonder how much he's getting paid for that!
To me observing his inept performance as Mayor I'd say he doesn't particularly care about immigration. Nor is his interest UK independence.
Johnson's interest is in courting the City lobby that appointed Cameron, funds 53% of the party, and will appoint the next Tory leader. This is Johnson's real constituency, in much the same way that the Lord Mayor is placed by City patronage under cover of ceremonial claptrap and a pseudo-election.
The City opposes imminent EU banking regulation reform, and fears it won't be negotiated out; Brexit would bring UK-based banks and facilitators out of the dragnet.
As heir apparent to the Corporate Interest Party (trading as "Conservative"), Johnson is signalling to his future sponsors that he's their man. Just a thought like.......;)0 -
Spoken like a true Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott acolyte.
Just stick to personal abuse of poor old porkie and absolutely refuse to discuss any politics like IRA support or justifying the death of 50 million (non white og course) people and consider it quite absurd to discuss Corbyn view on brexit.
The left have a long history of being fellow travellers of really quite vile crimes. I see that Ken Livingstone now openly supports the vile Soviet era repression: are you a mate of his too?
Sorry mate I have absolutely no idea what you are on about....but no offence implied:)0 -
If we left the EU, could we not join the EFTA and retain membership of the EEA; be more like Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein....'EU Lite' as it were.
This should make it possible to keep tariff free trade with the EU, but more importantly, restore British sovereignty. The only drawback with this is the borders issue. Immigrants, I believe, would still retain the right to work here and claim benefits.
Interestingly, Liechtenstein, which is a member of the single market, has the right to restrict the residency of EU citizens through specific sections of European Economic Area Agreement. Could we not do the same?0 -
Ripped-Off wrote: »If we left the EU, could we not join the EFTA and retain membership of the EEA; be more like Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein....'EU Lite' as it were.
This should make it possible to keep tariff free trade with the EU, but more importantly, restore British sovereignty. The only drawback with this is the borders issue. Immigrants, I believe, would still retain the right to work here and claim benefits.
Interestingly, Liechtenstein, which is a member of the single market, has the right to restrict the residency of EU citizens through specific sections of European Economic Area Agreement. Could we not do the same?
It is highly unlikely at best that the UK, upon quitting the EU, would be allowed to get some kind of sweetheart deal.
Let's face it, nobody gives a flying fox about Liechtenstein. The UK is a rather different beast and to imagine that they could just kinda fly in under the radar is a ridiculous notion quite frankly.0 -
From what I have read....the specific terms of the trade agreements would all have to be re-negotiated and the new terms would clearly be worse for us than the current ones. I think Japan have to pay a 10% tariff to import cars into the EU.......Chris Grayling in interviews this morning was clearly unable to say what our new terms in any trade deals would be.He speculated that the deals would be good ones because..... why would countries with whom we have a trade surplus not want to continue similar trade conditions in future?.....Of course he completely failed to address the point that the EU is a political club as well as an economic club. If we left France and Germany would want to make us pay a heavy price for political reasons...even if it costs them financially on the straight trade aspect of the deal?Ripped-Off wrote: »If we left the EU, could we not join the EFTA and retain membership of the EEA; be more like Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein....'EU Lite' as it were.
This should make it possible to keep tariff free trade with the EU, but more importantly, restore British sovereignty. The only drawback with this is the borders issue. Immigrants, I believe, would still retain the right to work here and claim benefits.
Interestingly, Liechtenstein, which is a member of the single market, has the right to restrict the residency of EU citizens through specific sections of European Economic Area Agreement. Could we not do the same?0 -
Who said anything about flying in under the radar? What do you think they're going to do, turn their backs on one of their biggest importers? The fifth richest country in the world.
A ridiculous notion my a£$e!
They need us more than we need them.0 -
We produce about 1.5m cars a year and buy about 2.5m. Surely matching tariffs on vehicle inputs with the EU would help rather than hinder (or be it we would have to choose Nissans and Toyotas rather than BMWs and VWs)I think....0
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....But why did he include the pledge in his manifesto in the first place?......to minimise tory splits of course!
Boris is apparently going to announce his conversion to the Brexit camp in his Sunday Torygraph column this evening. Wonder how much he's getting paid for that!
To me observing his inept performance as Mayor I'd say he doesn't particularly care about immigration. Nor is his interest UK independence.
Johnson's interest is in courting the City lobby that appointed Cameron, funds 53% of the party, and will appoint the next Tory leader. This is Johnson's real constituency, in much the same way that the Lord Mayor is placed by City patronage under cover of ceremonial claptrap and a pseudo-election.
The City opposes imminent EU banking regulation reform, and fears it won't be negotiated out; Brexit would bring UK-based banks and facilitators out of the dragnet.
As heir apparent to the Corporate Interest Party (trading as "Conservative"), Johnson is signalling to his future sponsors that he's their man. Just a thought like.......;)
So what do you want, stand for? You seen to oppose the referendum but want brexit. How does that work?0
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