If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

True.
Looking at countries like The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Germany, what we call 'Old Europe', you'll find that:
- their child benefits are higher
- their pensions are more generous
- their out of work benefits are higher
- their maternity/paternity rights and pay are better
- their healthcare is better
Kind of blows the argument out of the water that immigrants come to the UK for our excellent benefits.

I notice you fail to mention 'in work benefits' and our talent in the UK for creating loads of jobs that require wages to be topped up by the State.

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

I notice you fail to mention 'in work benefits' and our talent in the UK for creating loads of jobs that require wages to be topped up by the State.

there are no jobs that require the state to top them up

the benefits system is a political decision which has the predictable and predicted unintended consequences.

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

One of the benefits of being in the EU is that there are more shoulders to lean on in a crisis. If there was a crisis in the UK I would hope and expect that the rest of the EU would come to their assistance just as the UK would join in an EU-wide crisis plan.

Not sure if the EU treated the Greek people with such benevolence.

setmefree2

National Institute of Economic and Social Research

The Long-Term Economic Impact of Reducing Migration in the UK

Abstract:
This paper uses an OLG-CGE model for the UK to illustrate the long-term effect of migration on the economy. We use the current Conservative Party migration target to reduce net migration “from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands” as an illustration. Achieving this target would require reducing recent net migration numbers by a factor of about 2. We undertake a simulation exercise to compare a baseline scenario, which incorporates the principal 2010-based ONS population projections, with a lower migration scenario, which assumes that net migration is reduced by around 50 per cent. The results show that such a significant reduction in net migration has strong negative effects on the economy. By 2060 the levels of both GDP and GDP per person fall by 11.0 per cent and 2.7 per cent respectively. Moreover, this policy has a significant impact on public finances. To keep the government budget balanced, the effective labour income tax rate has to be increased by 2.2 percentage points in the lower migration scenario.

http://www.niesr.ac.uk/publications/long-term-economic-impact-reducing-migration-uk#.VsWpKtBqgu9

Tromking

CLAPTON wrote: »

there are no jobs that require the state to top them up

the benefits system is a political decision which has the predictable and predicted unintended consequences.

OK then.
A political decision has been made to tailor the UK benefits system to suit the business model of Tesco`s and the rest.

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

OK then.
A political decision has been made to tailor the UK benefits system to suit the business model of Tesco`s and the rest.

No, the benefits system was designed with good intentions which sadly ignored human nature.
Recipients of the benefits, landlords and businesses all responded by seeking best advantage.
To anyone with a knowledge of real people and a little economics that is entirely predictable.
However if seems we have a lot of people who don't have much awareness of human nature or economics.

angrypirate

Quite a good article from the Guardian (a bit of a rarity) saying that the only true way for EU reform is going to be voting to leave.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/eu-referendum-no-vote-reform-europe-crying-out-for

prosaver

CLAPTON wrote: »

there are no jobs that require the state to top them up

.

er,
working/ child tax credits is a top up

CLAPTON

angrypirate wrote: »

Quite a good article from the Guardian (a bit of a rarity) saying that the only true way for EU reform is going to be voting to leave.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/17/eu-referendum-no-vote-reform-europe-crying-out-for

well, its fairly rare for the Guardian to agree with me so I must acknowledge their wisdom in this instance

CLAPTON wrote:

one thing is for certain : if/when we vote to stay in, our future negotiating strength is destroyed.

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Not sure if the EU treated the Greek people with such benevolence.

Well they did spend quite a large amount of money on bailing them out that the EU Governments will never get back.