If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

Do you think if we vote to Remain, Boris and Gove are going to be saying the country is doomed, its all pointless and then resigning from politics?

Hah no but I can see Farage going absolutely nuts!

Filo25

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Hah no but I can see Farage going absolutely nuts!

He would, although it keeps UKIP relevant so maybe he'd quietly be happy enough

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

What perplexes me with Remains is they don't seem to be able to imagine Camerons speech following a vote to leave - all the gloom and negativity, all the fear will have disappeared, it will all be a can-do approach and everything will kick into action and all those with concerns will wonder what an earth they were so worried about, indeed it will put a spring in their step as their minds suddenly open up to the boundless opportunities before us - our own seas to fish, a new global focus with meaningful robust trade deals, and still of course working with our neighbours

Following a vote to leave, Cameron will resign instantly.
I don't see why he would want to hang around to preside over the biggest economic clusterf*ck ever.
I expect something like "The people have chosen to withdraw from the largest free trade zone in the world, I respect that and humbly hand over to Gove/IDS/Boris/Priti Patel and Co. to guide us forward".

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Following a vote to leave, Cameron will resign instantly.
I don't see why he would want to hang around to preside over the biggest economic clusterf*ck ever.
I expect something like "The people have chosen to withdraw from the largest free trade zone in the world, I respect that and humbly hand over to Gove/IDS/Boris/Priti Patel and Co. to guide us forward".

Pure conjecture!
The word is Cameron is toast 'in or out' post the 23rd June.
I`m quite looking forward to a newly independent and energised nation broadening its horizons free from the Brussels straight-jacket.
All under the leadership of the canny and charismatic Boris of course.
Could be the right man at the right time.:)

wotsthat

If it's a leave vote Cameron is toast. The Tories will need to find a new leader, we'll start negotiations to leave which, with the best will in the world, will be sub optimal for the UK and Europe. Plus we'll have the SNP trying to destroy the union.

In a decade or two I reckon we'll look back and laugh.

Filo25

Tromking wrote: »

Pure conjecture!
The word is Cameron is toast 'in or out' post the 23rd June.
I`m quite looking forward to a newly independent and energised nation broadening its horizons free from the Brussels straight-jacket.
All under the leadership of the canny and charismatic Boris of course.
Could be the right man at the right time.:)

I think Cameron needs a decent sized Remain win to survive, while that doesn't look likely to me but the bookies still seem to be pricing in the most likely scenario of being a Remain win of over 5% anyway so maybe not entirely impossible, if he can get that up over 8 or 9%, maybe he has a chance.

In the case of a narrow Remain win, maybe someone like Theresa May becomes more attractive as a unity candidate, time will tell anyway.

michaels

Why are the Remain camp so stuck in the old world of geography. The digital age means that physical distance is less and less important and even for physical products global supply chains mean that again distance is of little import. Notice your IPhone is made in China not the US.

I chat to facebook friends in Spain and Switzerland and Germany....and in Botswana, Japan and Jamaica amongst many others. I have worked in Europe, Switzerland and the US and Japan on an exchange programme. Culturally I have more in common with Australia, Canada and the US than I probably do with Romania and Greece.

Why on earth would we want to enter into a protectionist fortress Europe rather than seeking trade agreements with all nations of the world. To me the former is a 'little Europe' mentality where as the latter is all about being a citizen of the world.

It surprises me that so many on this board who are internationalist in outlook want to join more tightly with coporatist fortress Europe.

Filo25

michaels wrote: »

Why are the Remain camp so stuck in the old world of geography. The digital age means that physical distance is less and less important and even for physical products global supply chains mean that again distance is of little import. Notice your IPhone is made in China not the US.

I chat to facebook friends in Spain and Switzerland and Germany....and in Botswana, Japan and Jamaica amongst many others. I have worked in Europe, Switzerland and the US and Japan on an exchange programme. Culturally I have more in common with Australia, Canada and the US than I probably do with Romania and Greece.

Why on earth would we want to enter into a protectionist fortress Europe rather than seeking trade agreements with all nations of the world. To me the former is a 'little Europe' mentality where as the latter is all about being a citizen of the world.

It surprises me that so many on this board who are internationalist in outlook want to join more tightly with coporatist fortress Europe.

I just don't think good trade deals with the rest of the world are as quick and easy to do, as some appear to.

If they were the whole world would be one giant free trade zone.

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

I just don't think good trade deals with the rest of the world are as quick and easy to do, as some appear to.

If they were the whole world would be one giant free trade zone.

No they probably won't be.

There is some solace in that the existing trade arrangements we have with other countries via the EU can be maintained as they currently are, there's also legal precedent for that when Czechoslovakia separated. Mr Martin Howe QC says as much on fullfacts.org. Apparently he's an expert on EU law and George Osborne misused that report to claim we would have to renegotiate those deals.

Then there's also the 2 year period we'll have to thrash out some of our own. As some on the Leave campaign has said, Australia, New Zealand, Canada should be relatively straight forward 1 on 1 negotiations, you might be able to add India to that list too. It's possible that deals with those countries get sorted before one with the EU such is the fractured nature of EU negotiations.

mwpt

michaels wrote: »

It surprises me that so many on this board who are internationalist in outlook want to join more tightly with coporatist fortress Europe.

I don't want to join more tightly, I think that we should stay part of a free trade and free movement block. If this entails some laws and regulations governing trade, then so be it. Those laws seem to be about the same as any laws our own government would make, more or less. Some people will be happy with them, others won't, same as local laws.

I would like to remain as part of that and would like the EU to reform in some ways. I would like the elected MEPs to get more visibility in local countries, I would like to get more exposure to the debates on law making in EU and I would prefer that they find a way to scrap the Euro project. Having said that, I do not think the latter is likely to happen.