If we vote for Brexit what happens

Filo25

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I would propose it's looking less and less likely that we would get a bad deal from the EU. Especially if back door business negotiations are ongoing between UK and rEU firms.

This free trade deal with a "free movement of labour" option rather than "free movement of people" seems to be a good idea, however this means that the EU top brass HAVE to accept they've taken themselves down the wrong road as Donald Tusk was saying earlier in the month (or was it May?). And that they shouldn't be trying to protect the EU from the domino effect but they should be addressing why this is even happening in the first place.

That's the thing, a hell of a lot of the negativity around immigration could be addressed if the UK populace was convinced that everyone coming could actively support themselves and wouldn't be a burden on the country.

michaels

Filo25 wrote: »

I'm not sure I've ever said anything is impossible, however given that any one EU nation has a veto on potential trade deals,....

Sure, I can certainly see the Greeks voting against a deal the Germans were in favour of - after all what leverage do the German's have over domestic Greek policy making.....

Filo25

michaels wrote: »

Sure, I can certainly see the Greeks voting against a deal the Germans were in favour of - after all what leverage do the German's have over domestic Greek policy making.....

I don't think Greece is likely to be vetoing anything much anytime soon!

Still if you get groups of smaller nations or one of the larger ones acting on their own it gets more difficult, plus as I say I have no idea what the UK government's red lines are if we do vote for Brexit, would even the deal proposed there be acceptable to the Brexit MPs and supporters, if it included freedom of movement of Labour?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

We'll see.....well hopefully not as far as I'm concerned! The risks outweigh the advantages.....you then look at the history of Europe and the Brexit will be a move towards the old ways of petty nationalism and the attendant bigotry that goes with it.

quite bizarre coming from a Welshman who admits he is prejudiced against the English.

Rinoa

Moby wrote: »

It's not 'excellent news' at all to alienate your closet neighbours and turn them against you. Make no mistake as I said France and Germany will not co-operate once we Brexit ......they cannot afford to....because they will worry about a domino effect of other states leaving and will have to make an example of us. They will therefore have to be less co-operative than they would ideally like to be for the sake of their own economies. Brexit will be bad news all round as a result. The pound will sink 20% and the markets are already getting shaky....the closer and closer the polls get.

They don't have to co-operate. Both the EU and UK are signed up members of the WTO. That's how we can trade.

According to the head of WTO this will cost UK exporters £5.6BN every year - less than our net EU contribution.

And we control immigration, we make our own laws, we control all fishing in UK waters. We get seats at important world events which we currently give to the EU who negotiate on our behalf..

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

That's the thing, a hell of a lot of the negativity around immigration could be addressed if the UK populace was convinced that everyone coming could actively support themselves and wouldn't be a burden on the country.

For me the free movement of labour idea is great. It would mean we would know how many are coming and where and although we wouldn't have control we would get the greater ability to plan which is where my biggest issue is with the current uncontrolled migration.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

This free trade deal with a "free movement of labour" option rather than "free movement of people" seems to be a good idea

What does that mean?

however this means that the EU top brass HAVE to accept they've taken themselves down the wrong road as Donald Tusk was saying earlier in the month (or was it May?). And that they shouldn't be trying to protect the EU from the domino effect but they should be addressing why this is even happening in the first place.

Yes, that is reasonable.

Thrugelmir

you then look at the history of Europe and the Brexit will be a move towards the old ways of petty nationalism and the attendant bigotry that goes with it.

The current management of the EU is already recreating the same environment that brought about unrest previously. The rise of right wing nationalism is fairly prevalent.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

What does that mean?

Someone posted a link to a BBC article which says UK business is talking to German business about a proposal to save the UK's membership of the EU whilst addressing all of our concerns.

It's a hopeful move and one David Cameron really ought to have sorted out before all this started.

ruggedtoast

I wonder what the Kippers will do when the referendum is a resounding REMAIN.

Will they finally shut up?

Should the forum order a nice big order of humble pie for Clapton to chow down on, in readiness?


Clapton prepares to tuck in