If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1afaf414-b81f-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb.html#axzz4AtUhuaCE

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-who-are-business-leaders-backing-brexit-want-uk-vote-leave-1545548

You can find business that backs brexit just the same as you can find them who back remain.

in many ways one would expect retail and entertainment sector to welcome greater immigration
-because it provides an unlimited amount of cheap labour
-and a growing, particularly young population provides more customers without the bother of having to increase market share
-higher profits mean higher CEO salary/bobuses etc

it is often the case that peoples principles just happen to co-incide with their own financial interests.

sadly this financial activity doesn't translate in export business but that isn't a fashionable economic subject at the moment.

We can keep funding the massive trade deficit by selling UK businesses and borrowing money so shifting the burden down 20 years :
poetic justice for the young of today to be screwed in their middle and later years as they seem to be the main supporters of 'remain'.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1afaf414-b81f-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb.html#axzz4AtUhuaCE

I couldn't read the article as it's subscription, just the title

Subscribe to read:
Toyota pledges to stay in UK even if country takes Brexit

Let's have a look at Toyota then.

Toyota, one of the biggest manufacturers in Britain, has warned it will be forced to make significant cutbacks if the country votes to leave the EU.
Tony Walker, deputy managing director of the carmaker’s UK operations, said Brexit could reduce the competitiveness of its factories and create an uncertain future.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/03/uk-motor-industry-backs-uk-remaining-in-europe-survey-eu-positive-impacy

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-who-are-business-leaders-backing-brexit-want-uk-vote-leave-1545548

You can find business that backs brexit just the same as you can find them who back remain.

Of course you can find businesses who back brexit. Never disputed that. Your article even mentions some of them.

On 17 February, 80 business and community leaders, including Pasha Khandaker, president of the UK Bangladesh Caterers Association UK, Moni Varma, owner of rice suppliers Veetee, and Tariq Usmani, CEO of Henley Homes, wrote to the prime minister to highlight Britain's EU membership was damaging trade with the rest of the world.

Some world renowned brands there for sure.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I would propose that your suggestion that it's impossible to defend against missiles is factually incorrect. And therefore your assertion that steel is not required in time of war is also factually incorrect.

As a military machinery expert, could you list which industries we have to protect in the UK in order to maintain our own military stack independent of anyone else?

It does seem a nice progressive policy though, another from the brexiteers, we need the ability to independently wage war against the rest of the world.

michaels

Conrad wrote: »

Just some of the complete misunderstandings on Remains side;


+ EU protects British workers - UK Govt's give us greater paternity and holiday rights than the EU


+ Independent UK would be isolated, without influence, a little nation of 70 million people - Tell that to Japan, Canada, Australia, Switzerland - I've never once heard their citizens decrying their 'isolated' status, after all they sit on all sorts of global rules bodies and task forces


+ EU tariffs will harm us - extremely unlikely as this would be counter-productive and cause less trade, less harmony, more risk all round, the very last thing vulnerable EU nations with high unemployment need and with general elections coming up (oh I know French cheese and wine makers, lets make your produce more expensive so fewer sales are made and you loose your incomes and jobs)


+ Polish plumbers and teachers will be sent home - just staggering ignorance and yet I keep hearing remains audiences saying daft things like this


+ We need Poles and Bulgarians to wipe the bums of our elderly, and pick cabbages - not if we insist some of the 1.5m unemployed Brits works for their benefits, or takes those jobs, and also less immigration will drive up wages in these sectors and be more attractive

You missed out:
'I like going clubbin in Ibiza so I'm voting in'

cells

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Defence chiefs would argue otherwise. None of us know how world opinion can and will change or what will happen in the future. To dismiss the need for steel in the defence industry is irresponsible with regards to the security of the nation. It's not that we don't have a lot of whatever assets you choose to quote but the fact that we would need to source it elsewhere in order to supply any effort that needed to be maintained over a long period of time. I read somewhere that at the moment UK defence uses about 1.5% of the steel produced in the UK. So you'd be right in thinking that it's not much use to the defence industry at the moment during a time of relative peace. Should a conflict come to pass which lasts years that increases UK defence's requirement for steel and reduces our capability to source it from overseas we must as a major military power have the ability to produce our own.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35931128

And on the point of Trident, it would be entirely plausible to be locked into a conventional conflict without the use of nuclear weaponry. It would be a dire day indeed where we actually used those weapons or those weapons were used on us and at that point all bets are off.

the days of massed produced war machines are over.

the days of dropping 10,000 bombs in the hope that one of them will hit the bridge you are trying to hit is over

it is now about few but very accurate and effective weapons and machines.


Think of the Falklands war. 10 weeks. How many tanks or ships do you think where produced from iron ore to tank during those 10 weeks?

Generali

cells wrote: »

the days of massed produced war machines are over.

the days of dropping 10,000 bombs in the hope that one of them will hit the bridge you are trying to hit is over

it is now about few but very accurate and effective weapons and machines.


Think of the Falklands war. 10 weeks. How many tanks or ships do you think where produced from iron ore to tank during those 10 weeks?

This is what the serious death-bringer is using these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HkauuIyDsM

The Textron CBU-105. 40 individually directed velocity weapons for each bomb. 30 bombs (so 1200 bomblets) can be loaded into a B1 bomber or 2-4 onto a multi-role plane like a F-22.

We are never going to fight WW2 again and the ability to roll out kilotonnes of sheet steel is meaningless.

As I look at modern weaponry, which is a small part of what I do for a living, I think of Einstein's words on seeing the A-bomb used in combat: "I don't know what weapons World War Three will be waged with but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones". (Words to that effect anyway).

Sheet steel, sheesh.

mrginge

If there's one thing I've learnt from the remain arguments over the last few weeks, it's that the UK government is utterly pointless.

They can't come up with any of their own legislation.
They can't protect people's rights.
They don't need (or want) to manage population.
They have no control over the economy.
They can't provide defence or security.

It really gives me a sense of pride to know how useless we all are. Starving to death in the inevitable post-apocalyptic nuclear winter is the only thing I have left to look forward to.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

As a military machinery expert, could you list which industries we have to protect in the UK in order to maintain our own military stack independent of anyone else?

It does seem a nice progressive policy though, another from the brexiteers, we need the ability to independently wage war against the rest of the world.

No, quite frankly. I'm sick of arguing this point about steel with people who appear to think that military equipment is made out of balsa wood and then become flippant about the need to secure our nation and the people living within it. Jog on. Back to the EU talk.

Generali

mrginge wrote: »

If there's one thing I've learnt from the remain arguments over the last few weeks, it's that the UK government is utterly pointless.

They can't come up with any of their own legislation.
They can't protect people's rights.
They don't need (or want) to manage population.
They have no control over the economy.
They can't provide defence or security.

It really gives me a sense of pride to know how useless we all are. Starving to death in the inevitable post-apocalyptic nuclear winter is the only thing I have left to look forward to.

So useless that you live in one of the richest countries the world has ever known with the freedom to do pretty much what you want as long as you don't upset anyone else.

Just how much better do you think your life can get?

TrickyTree83

Generali wrote: »

This is what the serious death-bringer is using these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HkauuIyDsM

The Textron CBU-105. 40 individually directed velocity weapons for each bomb. 30 bombs (so 1200 bomblets) can be loaded into a B1 bomber or 2-4 onto a multi-role plane like a F-22.

We are never going to fight WW2 again and the ability to roll out kilotonnes of sheet steel is meaningless.

As I look at modern weaponry, which is a small part of what I do for a living, I think of Einstein's words on seeing the A-bomb used in combat: "I don't know what weapons World War Three will be waged with but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones". (Words to that effect anyway).

Sheet steel, sheesh.

I think I'll trust the guy who has actually been First Sea Lord.