If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

kabayiri wrote: »

Boris is the epitome of Mr Teflon. I don't think he is any rush.

Brits are always saying they hate on-message machine politicians (the likes of Yvette Cooper, Peter Mandelson, Amber Rudd) so here we have a number of MP's out on a limb throwing themselves onto the fringe politically, at huge risk, following their visionary instinct, so they are very much to be admired whether you agree with them politically or not. Would have been far easier for the likes of Gove not to rock the boat, and enjoy an easy gravy train ride


Look at history, those we remember are not the middle of the road consensus herd followers, no, they are the visionaries, those that went out on a limb and raised everyone's consciousness

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Hitachi boss says Brexit would 'force rethink' of UK operations and jobs

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hitachi-boss-says-brexit-would-8125754

UBS just chose to open largest office in world in London (in full knowledge of referendum), Chairman of Renault-Nissan – Jan 2016 – "we will adapt to the UK environment, there is nothing to worry about, whatever she decides" , former Bundesbank Chairman says UK will get a very good deal and has nothing to fear, PROPER ENTERENEURS that actually build business's from scratch such as Dyson, and the founders of Wetherspoons and JCB want to leave, whereas corporate poll climbers that have never set up a market stall tend to be pro remain (they aren't entrepreneurs and many such as Peter White ruin lots of hitherto good old business's and asset strip them)


German stock exchange wants still to by LSE regardless.
Bond and money markets are remarkably benign - follow the money


Again such a lack of vision to suppose UK wont absolutely thrive as an independent fleet of foot nation


Hitachi will still invest here, as we will be number one safe haven, dynamic, thrusting and incredibly powerfull with US, Commonwealth and many more in alliance with us.


Also note firms such as Ford Transit have been re-locating to non EU Turkey to export into EU

cells

Generali wrote: »

You think you're going to defend a steel works plus supply chain against missiles. You're nuts.

modern armies dont use much steel so there is no need to maintain steel plants for the sake of the armed forced.
It might sound silly that armies dont use a lot of steel but the UK has something like 500 tanks at 50 tons a tank that is 25,000 tons of steel. Even an aircraft carrier is just 70,000 tons. Be it tanks or ships we are not in a position to want to build thousands of them the days of building lots of crap dum steel machines is over.

If people are fearful that a trident wielding nation is vulnerable to war then they should seek more trident subs or a stock of weapons rather than to keep a steel works

Also its likely the uk will retain some steel works as we need to recycle a lot of steel in the form of scrapping about 2 million cars annually plus other household goods with steel. The iron ore to steel part might disappear or shrink further but the steel to steel products side will stay for a time. The alternative of shipping out our end of life steel products to China or India to be melted down and reformed and shipped back would likely be too expensive vs melting them down in an arc furnace or BOS furnace here.

TrickyTree83

cells wrote: »

modern armies dont use much steel so there is no need to maintain steel plants for the sake of the armed forced.
It might sound silly that armies dont use a lot of steel but the UK has something like 500 tanks at 50 tons a tank that is 25,000 tons of steel. Even an aircraft carrier is just 70,000 tons. Be it tanks or ships we are not in a position to want to build thousands of them the days of building lots of crap dum steel machines is over.

If people are fearful that a trident wielding nation is vulnerable to war then they should seek more trident subs or a stock of weapons rather than to keep a steel works

Also its likely the uk will retain some steel works as we need to recycle a lot of steel in the form of scrapping about 2 million cars annually plus other household goods with steel. The iron ore to steel part might disappear or shrink further but the steel to steel products side will stay for a time. The alternative of shipping out our end of life steel products to China or India to be melted down and reformed and shipped back would likely be too expensive vs melting them down in an arc furnace or BOS furnace here.

Defence chiefs would argue otherwise. None of us know how world opinion can and will change or what will happen in the future. To dismiss the need for steel in the defence industry is irresponsible with regards to the security of the nation. It's not that we don't have a lot of whatever assets you choose to quote but the fact that we would need to source it elsewhere in order to supply any effort that needed to be maintained over a long period of time. I read somewhere that at the moment UK defence uses about 1.5% of the steel produced in the UK. So you'd be right in thinking that it's not much use to the defence industry at the moment during a time of relative peace. Should a conflict come to pass which lasts years that increases UK defence's requirement for steel and reduces our capability to source it from overseas we must as a major military power have the ability to produce our own.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35931128

And on the point of Trident, it would be entirely plausible to be locked into a conventional conflict without the use of nuclear weaponry. It would be a dire day indeed where we actually used those weapons or those weapons were used on us and at that point all bets are off.

Conrad

Generali wrote: »

Interesting interview with the head (?) of the WTO today. He's not sure that relying on the WTO rules to see free trade is going to see great results for the UK on Brexit. It's another example of the massive costs the UK will face if she votes Leave in the short term, costs that are so great I can't really ever see them being recouped.

Another example of daft Remain argument that assumes we'll just ride on a tide of commercial indifference like a jellyfish doing nothing to maximise our position, truly incredible that people have such a diminished view and oh so low horizons and imagination.


If we vote leave I want you remain guys to remember your low expectations and then lets compare to the reality as time goes by.

wotsthat

What's the point of keeping steel works going when they're loss making and any event which limits imports of steel would equally affect imports of iron ore?

Maybe we should start making ships from wood just in case and plant a few banana plantations.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

If we vote leave I want you remain guys to remember your low expectations and then lets compare to the reality as time goes by.

If we vote leave I want you brexit guys to remember all the false promises made by the leave campaign and then let's compare to the reality as time goes by.
Boosting pensions by 18.25 billion, cutting taxes by 7.9 billion, higher wages for all, cheaper car insurance, no more VAT on fuel, cheaper groceries, an extra 100 million per week for the NHS....shall I go on?
It will be fun to watch the hoi polloi starting to squeal once it dawns on them they've been sold a dud.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

If we vote leave I want you brexit guys to remember all the false promises made by the leave campaign and then let's compare to the reality as time goes by.
Boosting pensions by 18.25 billion, cutting taxes by 7.9 billion, higher wages for all, cheaper car insurance, no more VAT on fuel, cheaper groceries, an extra 100 million per week for the NHS....shall I go on?
It will be fun to watch the hoi polloi starting to squeal once it dawns on them they've been sold a dud.

it won't matter as we will be in the middle of WW3.

HanSpan

CLAPTON wrote: »

No, some are voting so that the voters of the UK can determine the immigration policy

I am shocked at the level of ignorance of many 'remain' voters and think you shouldn't vote atall as you clearly misundestand the basic issues.

But this will not be the case. Leaving the EU will NOT make any difference to immigration from the rest of the EU.

Its a commonly pasted argument for the Brexit camp that "Leaving the EU does not mean leaving the EEC....." If we wish to remain in the EEC or EEA or be part of the common market, and retain preferable trade arrangements, we will have to sign up to freedom of movement - as have Iceland, Switzerland and Norway.

This little nugget seems to be well hidden from those who plan to vote out based on the misguided view that we will suddenly have lower immigration and be able to refuse enty to all those Europeans. We won't. So if that is your reason for voting out it's worth reconsidering all the other factors.

TrickyTree83

HanSpan wrote: »

But this will not be the case. Leaving the EU will NOT make any difference to immigration from the rest of the EU.

Its a commonly pasted argument for the Brexit camp that "Leaving the EU does not mean leaving the EEC....." If we wish to remain in the EEC or EEA or be part of the common market, and retain preferable trade arrangements, we will have to sign up to freedom of movement - as have Iceland, Switzerland and Norway.

This little nugget seems to be well hidden from those who plan to vote out based on the misguided view that we will suddenly have lower immigration and be able to refuse enty to all those Europeans. We won't. So if that is your reason for voting out it's worth reconsidering all the other factors.

I'll quite happily vote out and accept EEA conditions of free movement. Immigration is way down my list of issues with the EU project.