If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

whilst personally not a monarchist, it appears that the majority of people in the UK support the Queen as head of state:
presumably that has no weight in a democracy and we should ask the EU for guidence on the matter?

people had a vote (refeerendum) on changing the FPTP system and overwhealmingly rejected the specific proposal.

I understand that Aus has changed its governence over the years : one wonders how they did that without asking the EU to decide for them.

We relied on the Mother Country to allow us very graciously to decide our own affairs and then kinda middled through from there.

We never applied to join the European Union as we are not in Europe. We are in a completely free trade and immigration area with the other country within our continent. There are more restrictions on taking an orange from Sydney to Gilgandra in NSW than there are on importing goods or migrating from NZ to Sydney.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

We relied on the Mother Country to allow us very graciously to decide our own affairs and then kinda middled through from there.

We never applied to join the European Union as we are not in Europe. We are in a completely free trade and immigration area with the other country within our continent. There are more restrictions on taking an orange from Sydney to Gilgandra in NSW than there are on importing goods or migrating from NZ to Sydney.

so basically Aus decided all by themselves : a small insignificant population of 27 million, how did they manage: surely they would have welcomed advice from such an august democratic bodY?

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Maybe.

But the UK government voted against imposing punitive tariffs for Chinese steel in the EU as they judged the benefit to the totality of UK business and consumers in cheaper steel products outweighed the costs in employment and business stability of a few companies making the stuff.

Protectionism drives up the cost of things we buy and reduces our competitiveness in the World.

Overall it tends to be really bad for the country as a whole and only good for a small minority of people within the country.

Some industries are too important to fail, Port Talbot makes steel who are as far as I know the only plant in the UK now which makes steel that we can use for things like our Royal Navy ships, our armoured vehicles, etc... sure we can import it. But then in time of conflict, in our time of most dire need we'll be reliant on imports or we'll have to start it all up again. I'd prefer to keep those skills in this country going even at the taxpayer expense. For me it's a rather important skill to have.

If you and wotsthat are against protectionism I assume you're voting to leave the EU?

Generali

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Some industries are too important to fail, Port Talbot makes steel who are as far as I know the only plant in the UK now which makes steel that we can use for things like our Royal Navy ships, our armoured vehicles, etc... sure we can import it. But then in time of conflict, in our time of most dire need we'll be reliant on imports or we'll have to start it all up again. I'd prefer to keep those skills in this country going even at the taxpayer expense. For me it's a rather important skill to have.

If you and wotsthat are against protectionism I assume you're voting to leave the EU?

Yeah, security.

How many minutes after war is declared do you imagine that a steel plant would last against a foe with missiles? If your foe doesn't have missiles you're not going to need many ships.

It's a non-argument, not even a thing.

dusty2100

Yesterday I was quite surprised to see a leaflet through the door stating Martin Lewis On balance of probability it is more likely we'll have less money in our pockets if we vote to leave. I understand that and as we have all seen over the last 5 years or more its already been happening with trying to get the economy back on its feet. But surely another 5 years of this and then a brighter future is worth it. Martin Lewis should have stated more or has he been miss quoted on the flyer sent out by Will Straw?

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

Why would an MP tell me there is nothing that can be done when clearly the UK has a vote on EU directives? In the same sense, my local MP could tell me, there is nothing that can be done, it is a UK law not a constituency law. In practice, there may be nothing that can be done about either, but in theory both are changeable and we have a say in both.

You can vote on EU directives via the EU parliament but only at the stage where they are being implemented. Once they are ratified you can't just randomly vote, the proposal to repeal it has to come from the EU commission, and you're "direct" representative there is 1 of 28.

Do you think people in this country affected adversely by EU policy feel the way you do about their say in how they are governed?

Take the steel again, thousands of constituents complained to their MP and the Business Secretary, a minister no less. Can they deliver the change the steelworkers need if a buyer cannot be found? Simple answer.

The Tampon Tax, spoken about by many MP's in the House of Commons, there's a grassroots campaign for this. Nothing has or will be done about this.

mystic_trev

dusty2100 wrote: »

Yesterday I was quite surprised to see a leaflet through the door stating Martin Lewis On balance of probability it is more likely we'll have less money in our pockets if we vote to leave. I understand that and as we have all seen over the last 5 years or more its already been happening with trying to get the economy back on its feet. But surely another 5 years of this and then a brighter future is worth it. Martin Lewis should have stated more or has he been miss quoted on the flyer sent out by Will Straw?

He answers your question here..


http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/05/20/quote-misquotes-and-the-truth-about-my-appearance-in-the-stronger-in-europe-leaflet/?_ga=1.245252807.374696860.1451042030

TrickyTree83

dusty2100 wrote: »

Yesterday I was quite surprised to see a leaflet through the door stating Martin Lewis On balance of probability it is more likely we'll have less money in our pockets if we vote to leave. I understand that and as we have all seen over the last 5 years or more its already been happening with trying to get the economy back on its feet. But surely another 5 years of this and then a brighter future is worth it. Martin Lewis should have stated more or has he been miss quoted on the flyer sent out by Will Straw?

As I understood the quote is accurate but permission wasn't given by Martin to be on the leaflet.

TrickyTree83

Generali wrote: »

Yeah, security.

How many minutes after war is declared do you imagine that a steel plant would last against a foe with missiles? If your foe doesn't have missiles you're not going to need many ships.

It's a non-argument, not even a thing.

Yeah sorry, what was I thinking. No one uses armoured vehicles anymore, or military ships to escort merchant shipping. There's also no possible way to defend a target from missile strikes.

mayonnaise

Hitachi boss says Brexit would 'force rethink' of UK operations and jobs

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hitachi-boss-says-brexit-would-8125754

For most global companies like Hitachi, the critical benefit of investing in the UK is that it is the best base for accessing the whole European market of 500m people.

There are other reasons like the size of the UK market, availability of local and international talent and the support of our local communities – which is why we take a positive view of the UK inside Europe.

Therefore we have our regional headquarters here and moved our global rail headquarters to London.

But take away the UK’s membership of the EU, and the future investment case looks very different.