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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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ruggedtoast wrote: »And you my friend, need to find your shift key.
you walk with extremist
i don't always use the shift key0 -
Look closer to home mate. Farage, Boris, Grayling, Gove Neil Hamilton etc represent everything I loathe so why should I care about an extreme nut job in Euroland. We have our fair share here!
I'm therefore very happy that our politicians are often constrained in their activities by EU directives because I think most of them are idealogically driven nut jobs anyway! Fact is if it wasnt for the EU this govmt would have privatised much more than it has and reduced the working conditions of thousands of people; (look at the history of the Tories attitude towards the working time directive). Thatchers policies would never have been implemented in a federation. The basis of a federation is compromise, tacking to the middle, there would never be a right wing movement taking over, even if individual countries elected such types within their own borders. As for Labour Brexiteers....they are complete nut jobs as well because it's patently obvious as Rugged Toast said that Brexit will result in an independent Scotland and a succession of right wing govmts in England who will subsequently embark on a Thatcherite economic agenda of deregulated markets unconstrained by EU directives, and probably destroy the NHS in the process. Why on earth would someone who is left of centre support that? They are turkeys voting for Christmas!
Brexiteers tend to be right wing nut jobs preoccupied with the English constitution and so so worried about it being supplanted by Brussels law. They are worried about being in control of our borders to keep johnny foreigner at bay; they are worried about our laws, our trade rights, our fishing rights etc etc. I'm more worried about them! Lets face it despite a sprinkling of Labour odd balls the Brexit movement is basically made up of and energised by UKIP and right wing tories! Says a lot that does!
Wow.
"Fact is if it wasnt for the EU this govmt would have privatised much more than it has and reduced the working conditions of thousands of people"
It's not fact, it never happened. It's pure conjecture on your part.
"Thatchers policies would never have been implemented in a federation. The basis of a federation is compromise, tacking to the middle, there would never be a right wing movement taking over, even if individual countries elected such types within their own borders."
A fundamental mis-understanding of how the EU is ran. The commission is made up of representatives chosen by the governments of the day in the respective member state. So if the far right got in across the EU then the commission would be made up of far right commissioners. There would be no "tacking to the middle".
"As for Labour Brexiteers....they are complete nut jobs as well because it's patently obvious as Rugged Toast said that Brexit will result in an independent Scotland and a succession of right wing govmts in England who will subsequently embark on a Thatcherite economic agenda of deregulated markets unconstrained by EU directives, and probably destroy the NHS in the process."
The only situation in which a referendum on Scottish independence would come about was if Scotland voted for Remain but the UK as a whole voted for Leave. They don't like sharing democracy with the English, Welsh and Northern Irish but are all for sharing it with the French, Germans, etc... hypocrisy of the highest order. They want to remain in the EU but be free of the Union, that is not an independent Scotland as the newly formed SNP GO rightly point out. The party that attempts to destroy the NHS will undoubtedly make themselves un-electable for an entire generation, if not more. You know that, I know that and so does everyone else reading this. It's a button they will never fully press no matter how much the political parties may nibble around the edges. Before you go Tory bashing I'd like to remind you about the Labour PFI.. debacle (I wanted to say scandal). Debt ridden trusts giving cash to private companies under ludicrous contracts that you cannot terminate. Helpful when you're trying to deal with a growing and ageing population.
"Brexiteers tend to be right wing nut jobs preoccupied with the English constitution and so so worried about it being supplanted by Brussels law. They are worried about being in control of our borders to keep johnny foreigner at bay; they are worried about our laws, our trade rights, our fishing rights etc etc. I'm more worried about them! Lets face it despite a sprinkling of Labour odd balls the Brexit movement is basically made up of and energised by UKIP and right wing tories! Says a lot that does!"
I guess I'm a "right wing nut job" then. I'd be quite happy with British laws for everyone who lives on these islands. I feel very sorry for the fishermen, their families and the communities around them who struggled and wish we'd stood up for them and parked a destroyer doing figure 8's in the North Sea to make the point. Despite previously voting Lib Dem and Labour in the past, after the vaunted Tony Blair took us to war on a lie and Gordon failed to plan for the crash in 2008 and racked up a huge mountain of debt to show for it I can't possibly bring myself to vote for them again. So if that makes me a right wing tory/UKIP nut job then I'm proud to be so.0 -
Foreigners can walk across the border now : what would change?
and in any event the question need asking of the Irish government
In the event of a leave vote, the UK would want to stop uncontrolled immigration.
In order to control it, the UK would have to set up some kind of border checks between Southern & Northern Ireland or between Northern Ireland and the UK.
It would be the UK, not Irish Government who would have to implement this.
So surely it's up to the 'leave' camp to tell us in advance how this would happen?0 -
In the event of a leave vote, the UK would want to stop uncontrolled immigration.
In order to control it, the UK would have to set up some kind of border checks between Southern & Northern Ireland or between Northern Ireland and the UK.
It would be the UK, not Irish Government who would have to implement this.
So surely it's up to the 'leave' camp to tell us in advance how this would happen?
we would agree with our Irish friends to continue the current system as that is both our interests0 -
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Look closer to home mate. Farage, Boris, Grayling, Gove Neil Hamilton etc represent everything I loathe so why should I care about an extreme nut job in Euroland. We have our fair share here!
I'm therefore very happy that our politicians are often constrained in their activities by EU directives because I think most of them are idealogically driven nut jobs anyway! Fact is if it wasnt for the EU this govmt would have privatised much more than it has and reduced the working conditions of thousands of people; (look at the history of the Tories attitude towards the working time directive). Thatchers policies would never have been implemented in a federation. The basis of a federation is compromise, tacking to the middle, there would never be a right wing movement taking over, even if individual countries elected such types within their own borders. As for Labour Brexiteers....they are complete nut jobs as well because it's patently obvious as Rugged Toast said that Brexit will result in an independent Scotland and a succession of right wing govmts in England who will subsequently embark on a Thatcherite economic agenda of deregulated markets unconstrained by EU directives, and probably destroy the NHS in the process. Why on earth would someone who is left of centre support that? They are turkeys voting for Christmas!
Brexiteers tend to be right wing nut jobs preoccupied with the English constitution and so so worried about it being supplanted by Brussels law. They are worried about being in control of our borders to keep johnny foreigner at bay; they are worried about our laws, our trade rights, our fishing rights etc etc. I'm more worried about them! Lets face it despite a sprinkling of Labour odd balls the Brexit movement is basically made up of and energised by UKIP and right wing tories! Says a lot that does!
Because they are all extreme right wingers? NOT.
I get it. You hate everyone who isnt a socialist. You want to add me onto that list.
And dont play the "this government would have made this country much worse had it not been for the EU" - thats total BULLSH!T - pure left wing pro EU nutjob speculation
Oh hang on, there are some now Pro EU socialists that were once anti-EU - Corbyn used to be anti EU and his Guardian journo puppydog Owen Jones was too.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »We'd have to have some form of border check system, otherwise we're essentially abandoning N.Ireland to the EU if we were to leave.
How would this be different to a visitor overstaying their welcome?0 -
How would this be different to a visitor overstaying their welcome?
The UK government would need to know if EU citizens were in the country or not, without any border checks between N.Ireland and ROI the minimum I would expect would be checks on movement between N.Ireland and Great Britain. That's essentially going to mean EU citizens could come and go into N.Ireland as they please. The problem with that being EU citizens means all EU states and they have a right to be in Ireland. No borders between N.Ireland and Ireland would effectively be Great Britain abandoning N.Ireland.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »The UK government would need to know if EU citizens were in the country or not, without any border checks between N.Ireland and ROI the minimum I would expect would be checks on movement between N.Ireland and Great Britain. That's essentially going to mean EU citizens could come and go into N.Ireland as they please. The problem with that being EU citizens means all EU states and they have a right to be in Ireland. No borders between N.Ireland and Ireland would effectively be Great Britain abandoning N.Ireland.
how is that different to any visitor simply arriving and not leaving?
how is it special to EU citizens?0 -
how is that different to any visitor simply arriving and not leaving?
how is it special to EU citizens?
But what you're proposing is no border controls at all between N.Ireland and ROI, the same system we have now where we rely on the EU's outer borders to deny entry to non-EU citizens.
There is absolutely nothing there for good reason, there is no need currently. But if you want to make sure that EU citizens cannot enter the UK without being checked that they have the relevant visas to do so (leave to enter) then you HAVE to have border checks at every entry point, and if you're going to abandon N.Ireland and allow EU citizens to roam across the border at a minimum I would then expect to see border checks on flights and ferry crossings from N.Ireland to Britain otherwise it's a completely porous border, more so than any other even whilst we remain within the EU. It seems you're advocating such a bizarre situation.0
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