If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Your 'moderate' UKIP is spreading exactly the same message as Front National, Pegida, Alternativ fuer Deutschland, etc...
Anti EU, extreme nationalism and blame the migrants for all ills of society.
Don't presume our extreme right smells better than theirs. It's all the same odious crap.

Not my UKIP.
I usually vote Labour/Liberal and am a local Union Official.
Unlike the average Leftist prone to unthinking hyperbole, I know a fascist when I see one!

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Ah...the EU is undemocratic because we (as the UK) don't get it our way all he time. Got it.

the issues are
-democracy
-accountability
-liberty
-and of course, the granularity of the above i.e. do we have just one god who rules alone and all must conform and obey
do we have many gods where different regions can decide their own different rules and regulation

clearly some are more authoritarian than others

cells

Generali wrote: »

People are going to have to save more or retire later. Working from 23-65 while mucking about from 0-23 and then 65-85 is unlikely to pay for the mucking about time for all but a few..

better to start work sooner, working 15-65 makes more sense than 23-73

either way we probably wont need to work longer. the AI software will allow a lot more wealth which will be taxed and given to the old.

if you think of say self drive cars you have a big reduction in costs like insurance accidents fuel maintenance and capital depreciation. The £50B a year could go on leaving more money in the pockets of consumers or the state can just add £50B of taxes onto the robo cars. The productivity increasing instead of going to the consumer will go to the state who will buy the grey vote with this new found mountain of wealth.

HornetSaver

mayonnaise wrote: »

Ah...the EU is undemocratic because we (as the UK) don't get it our way all he time. Got it.

As far as our own country is concerned, that is it for a lot of people. The more sneering that people see from Europhiles on that topic over the next 10 weeks or so, the more likely the relatively indifferent but mildly disgruntled undecided voters are to get out and vote to leave.

Britain most certainly does not have a right to get its own way in deals which would impact upon how countries interact with one another. Given that this would remain the case even if we left but chose to remain in the single market, this is in theory an irrelevance. However if the Brexit brigade believe that we do have a divine right to get our way in negotiations, and win the referendum, then we're all in for an almighty shock.

Britain most certainly does have the right to decide its internal affairs... well, internally.

And I think the issue for most people is that the extent to which these two very clear, very widely accepted dividing lines have become blurred. The issue of EU migrant benefits is probably the highest publicized one - the benefits system is very much an internal UK affair, whereas discrimination against UK and rEU citizens is very much an EU issue. The end result is that the EU has a good reason to get involved with a policy that the UK has good reason to want to implement, and the EU wins, despite the vast majority of EU representation not having been elected by the people of the UK.

(the exact same principle would apply to the debate about Scotland's place in the UK, if it weren't for the fact that the main nationalist party is desperate to leave the UK but remain in the EU. Though it does still hold true to a certain extent).

gfplux

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Schools are not being privatised in any meaningful way.

What part of Academy do you not understand

chewmylegoff

gfplux wrote: »

What part of Academy do you not understand

I understand what an academy is, I also remember that they were introduced by a labour government. Personally I don't think a school that is publicly funded, operated on a not for profit basis, required to follow the national curriculum and beholden to govt appointment/approval of its operator is a privatised school, but in any event thank Tony Blair for this 'lurch to the right' concept. Academies are no more privatisation than housing associations are.

CLAPTON

chewmylegoff wrote: »

I understand what an academy is, I also remember that they were introduced by a labour government. Personally I don't think a school that is publicly funded, operated on a not for profit basis, required to follow the national curriculum and beholden to govt appointment/approval of its operator is a privatised school, but in any event thank Tony Blair for this 'lurch to the right' concept. Academies are no more privatisation than housing associations are.

it seem to me that academy status is all about breaking the power of the Local Authorities and transfer it to central government.
Personally this seems excellent for councils I don't like but less so for those I approve of.

leveller2911

mayonnaise wrote: »

Ah...the EU is undemocratic because we (as the UK) don't get it our way all he time. Got it.

The UK has an Historic Constitution whereby any government when elected is not tied to the legislation implemented by the previous UK Government but any new UK Govt is tied to EU legislation.

So yes the EU is undemocratic because every UK govt has to abide by EU law which supersedes UK law and that is not democratic.

BobQ

leveller2911 wrote: »

The UK has an Historic Constitution whereby any government when elected is not tied to the legislation implemented by the previous UK Government but any new UK Govt is tied to EU legislation.

So yes the EU is undemocratic because every UK govt has to abide by EU law which supersedes UK law and that is not democratic.

But the UK Government is bound by Treaties it signs with other nations

EU Laws and Regulations can be repealed by National Parliaments.

cells

leveller2911 wrote: »

The UK has an Historic Constitution whereby any government when elected is not tied to the legislation implemented by the previous UK Government but any new UK Govt is tied to EU legislation.

So yes the EU is undemocratic because every UK govt has to abide by EU law which supersedes UK law and that is not democratic.

dont we have the option to leave if we dont like the party?