If we vote for Brexit what happens

vivatifosi

Interesting Telegraph article showing each Eurozone country and what the impact of Brexit will be:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/24/mapped-which-eurozone-countries-will-be-worst-hit-by-a-brexit/

Suggests that impact on Ireland will be worst hit outside of UK.

michaels

Moby wrote: »

As always Clapton I don't recognise this warped characterisation of my views. I also don't have any idea what you mean in your simplistic characterisation of free trade. There are always interests and barriers; religion, geography, culture, history that are relevant. I don't see Europe as having a ruling class............that's your depiction not mine. I like the Social Chapter a lot though;)

OK, the way I see it, you like the social chapter and think it offers better worker protection than the UK parliament would likely have provided.

Unlikely but not impossible the balance of political power in the EU changes with the rise of right wing parties and the EU passes legislation undermining workers rights to levels well below what the UK would choose.

In the EU we have no democratic power to enhance these to the level the UK would prefer.

Sure the lack of democracy may suit you for the moment but it is forever and giving up democracy may in the future turn out to be a major mistake. For example when we all have to 'carry' compulsory biometric chips and certain areas are deemed off limits for Muslims for 'security' reasons.....

michaels

vivatifosi wrote: »

Interesting Telegraph article showing each Eurozone country and what the impact of Brexit will be:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/24/mapped-which-eurozone-countries-will-be-worst-hit-by-a-brexit/

Suggests that impact on Ireland will be worst hit outside of UK.

Including this quote:

ING's warning comes as Swiss asset-manager Unigestion said a Brexit would prove "more detrimental for the European Union and the eurozone than for the UK".

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

Interesting Telegraph article showing each Eurozone country and what the impact of Brexit will be:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/24/mapped-which-eurozone-countries-will-be-worst-hit-by-a-brexit/

Suggests that impact on Ireland will be worst hit outside of UK.

Another thing to take from this article is the Pound/Euro after Brexit. So anyone who thinks Brexit is on should buy their holiday euros NOW.
Today £100 will get you €125
After Brexit it suggests you will get as little as €90

mayonnaise

michaels wrote: »

OK, the way I see it, you like the social chapter and think it offers better worker protection than the UK parliament would likely have provided.

Unlikely but not impossible the balance of political power in the EU changes with the rise of right wing parties and the EU passes legislation undermining workers rights to levels well below what the UK would choose.

In the EU we have no democratic power to enhance these to the level the UK would prefer.

Of course we would. Any member state is free to do more than the mimimum required under EU legislation. Happens at the moment also. Paternity rights for example are way more generous in certain Nordic countries than in the UK.

michaels wrote: »

Sure the lack of democracy may suit you for the moment but it is forever and giving up democracy may in the future turn out to be a major mistake. For example when we all have to 'carry' compulsory biometric chips and certain areas are deemed off limits for Muslims for 'security' reasons.....

What lack of democracy?

The European Parliament is democratically elected.

The European Council consists of all (democratically elected) heads of state.

The European Commission consist of 1 individual per member state dispatched by the democratically elected national government of the moment.

The president and its members are appointed by the European Council (democratically elected) and approved by The European Parliament (democratically elected).

Glad to help.

gfplux

This is way off topic, but....
Some posters have referred to the rise of right wing Politics in Europe. I don't completely agree but from what I see of the present Conservative Government their lurch to the right with The Privatisation of Schools and In due course the NHS together with withdrawing financial aid to the disabled are huge indicators of Right wing politics.
However it is not so off topic.
Do you think that those same Politiciens after Brexit will want to keep in the negotiations any that make it more difficult for business to make more money like workers rights and consumer protection. I suspect not.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

Another thing to take from this article is the Pound/Euro after Brexit. So anyone who thinks Brexit is on should buy their holiday euros NOW.
Today £100 will get you €125
After Brexit it suggests you will get as little as €90

99.9% of economists take the view that the exchange rate for the german economy is effectively much lower than it would have been if the DM still existed. i.e. the cumulative effect of the other euro countries holds down the value of the euro relative to the strength of the german economy.
Strangely the people who say the UK economy would suffer if the exchange rate of the pound fell, do not, in general argue how much the german people are suffering due to being a member of the euro.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Of course we would. Any member state is free to do more than the mimimum required under EU legislation. Happens at the moment also. Paternity rights for example are way more generous in certain Nordic countries than in the UK.

What lack of democracy?

The European Parliament is democratically elected.

The European Council consists of all (democratically elected) heads of state.

The European Commission consist of 1 individual per member state dispatched by the democratically elected national government of the moment.

The president and its members are appointed by the European Council (democratically elected) and approved by The European Parliament (democratically elected).

Glad to help.

And when important decisions need to be made, Hollande and Merkel have a chat and agree what needs to be done.

Of course, it's all democratic. :rotfl:

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

This is way off topic, but....
Some posters have referred to the rise of right wing Politics in Europe. I don't completely agree but from what I see of the present Conservative Government their lurch to the right with The Privatisation of Schools and In due course the NHS together with withdrawing financial aid to the disabled are huge indicators of Right wing politics.
However it is not so off topic.
Do you think that those same Politiciens after Brexit will want to keep in the negotiations any that make it more difficult for business to make more money like workers rights and consumer protection. I suspect not.

that isn't what is generally meant by the rise of right wing political parties in europe

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

This is way off topic, but....
Some posters have referred to the rise of right wing Politics in Europe. I don't completely agree but from what I see of the present Conservative Government their lurch to the right with The Privatisation of Schools and In due course the NHS together with withdrawing financial aid to the disabled are huge indicators of Right wing politics.
However it is not so off topic.
Do you think that those same Politiciens after Brexit will want to keep in the negotiations any that make it more difficult for business to make more money like workers rights and consumer protection. I suspect not.

Perhaps it's a wider discussion as to how taxpayers money is spent. People are being given choices and rejecting them. At this rate all that will be left is the state pension. If we are all in it together then we are going to have to accept less in retirement.