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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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dont we have the option to leave if we dont like the party?
There seems little point in having a referendum if we do not have the option.
The real issue is whether exercising that option is going to benefit the UK
Personally I am not convinced it will help the UK, but even if I was it will create a hell of a mess. Scotland will vote to leave the UK and the momentum will begin for a united Ireland within the EU.
Whether the act of leaving the EU is good for the UK is doubtful but there will be a hell of a mess.
The ego of BoJo will possibly be satisfied but at what cost.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
EU regulations absolutely cannot be repealed by national parliaments, an EU regulation automatically becomes law in all member states with no implementation required on a national level.
EU directives require member states to implement legislation in their national parliaments to achieve particular ends, I suppose in theory the UK govt could repeal whatever statutory instrument it used to bring an EU directive into force in the UK, but then the EU commission could take legal action against the UK through the European courts for failing to comply with the directive.
Of course whether something is an EU regulation or a law passed in the UK as a consequence of an EU directive, we could just turn a blind eye and not enforce it through our courts. I expect the consequence of that may be action against the UK in the European courts as well.0 -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cutting-immigration-would-mean-higher-taxes-or-deeper-spending-cuts-obr-warns-a6956311.htmlThe Government would have to raise taxes or make deeper spending cuts if immigration to Britain was reduced, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has warned.
The Treasury’s spending watchdog said cutting inward migration would create “additional fiscal pressures” that would blow George Osborne’s deficit reduction drive off course. The calculations suggest that any significant cut to immigration caused by Brexit would leave Britain facing significant economic problems.
"The OBR is simply pointing out the obvious: since immigrants more than pay for themselves over time, a substantial reduction in immigration will mean either higher taxes or worse public services for the rest of us,”“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
how does our parliament repeal the free movement of EU people into the UK?
just pass a law?
No it does this by exercising its rights under the Treaty of Lisbon to leave the EU or change theTreaty.
Repealing the FOM alone is not an option unless you can change the Treaty (I agree unlikely). But that is the nature of any organisation we choose to belong to.
Similarly we cannot guarantee negotating a trade agreement with the EU without FOM.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
There seems little point in having a referendum if we do not have the option.
The real issue is whether exercising that option is going to benefit the UK
Personally I am not convinced it will help the UK, but even if I was it will create a hell of a mess. Scotland will vote to leave the UK and the momentum will begin for a united Ireland within the EU.
Whether the act of leaving the EU is good for the UK is doubtful but there will be a hell of a mess.
The ego of BoJo will possibly be satisfied but at what cost.
NOT...A...CHANCE. The Aberdeen mess will be in full swing by the time any referendum could be set up, and even if the population were drugged by the SNP there won`t be any EZ left to join, so what would be the point?0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
Leaving the EZ doesn`t mean banning people from coming to the country to live and work, it just means it is done on our terms, not the terms of Brussels.0 -
No it does this by exercising its rights under the Treaty of Lisbon to leave the EU or change theTreaty.
Repealing the FOM alone is not an option unless you can change the Treaty (I agree unlikely). But that is the nature of any organisation we choose to belong to.
Nice try Bob but the fact remains we (the UK) cannot repeal legislation unless we leave the EU. To change a treaty we need the agreement of 27 other States whom none of us have ever voted for. We need their permission to change a treaty or we leave. We didn't vote for a Greek Govt but they can stop any treaty change that the UK propose.
Thats one hell of a democracy Bob.Similarly we cannot guarantee negotating a trade agreement with the EU without FOM.
Thats a wishy washy statement if ever I heard one.......... There are only 2 guarantees in life Bob, life and death and everything else in between is up for grabs.0 -
No it does this by exercising its rights under the Treaty of Lisbon to leave the EU or change theTreaty.
Repealing the FOM alone is not an option unless you can change the Treaty (I agree unlikely). But that is the nature of any organisation we choose to belong to.
Similarly we cannot guarantee negotating a trade agreement with the EU without FOM.
I believe that over 100 countries trade with the EU without a freedom of movement agreement0 -
I believe that over 100 countries trade with the EU without a freedom of movement agreement
And how many of them are part of the Single Market for services?
Here's one of many reasons Brexit would be "economic suicide"
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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