If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

Perfectly natural.

As a state politician you are elected to represent your own citizens' interests first, ahead of any EU principle.

And their own citizens' interests will be served by continuous and uninterrupted membership of the world's largest and most prosperous free trade zone.
Rather than pander to the whims of an increasingly irrelevant nation on the periphery throwing a hissy fit.

mystic_trev

kabayiri wrote: »

It's more about the 10% levy on Korean cars. I don't know what Mr Juncker drives

A Citroen P1ssedcasso?

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

This view seems naive to me. We have 27 other countries lined up against us on the next door continent....led by France and Germany who clearly won't do us any favours.

Which sectors will happily play along with having their sales to the UK put at risk with trade barriers?


The Danish pork sector?
The Dutch cut flower sector?
Spanish fruit n veg growers that supply our supermarkets?
Holland's UK export market accounting for 9% of their exports.


Talk me through how millions of Europeans we applaud their own demise at the behest of a far away privileged elite in Brussels?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

It'd be stupid anyway, if we prosper, so do they.

Good to see you're coming round to the common sense nuts and bolts of all this.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

27 who will act as a collective as long as each thinks they gain.

But what happens if the UK were to target the soft underbelly?

We've punished Ireland in the past, for example, so why wouldn't it happen again?

I'll be honest. I don't care what methods are used, as long as we get the best deal possible. Even if it turns dirty.

It's not a happy prospect though is it. I was hoping for a calmer, co-operative atmosphere. I like to feel safe. Whatever the deal it looks like there are going to be tensions of one sort or another for years to come ...........and the point is we're in a minority of one!

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Which sectors will happily play along with having their sales to the UK put at risk with trade barriers?


The Danish pork sector?
The Dutch cut flower sector?
Spanish fruit n veg growers that supply our supermarkets?
Holland's UK export market accounting for 9% of their exports.


Talk me through how millions of Europeans we applaud their own demise at the behest of a far away privileged elite in Brussels?

It's our demise you should be worried about. No one gains if we don't get a deal but everyone knows it matters to us far more than it matters to them! They will take a hit but we'll suffer long term. Now how exactly is brexit and being outside the single market going to benefit the ordinary person in this country?

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

It's not a happy prospect though is it. I was hoping for a calmer, co-operative atmosphere. I like to feel safe.
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I think Cameron tried that with his pre-Brexit roadshow where he came back with concessions which meant stuff all to the electorate.

In contrast, I look at an economic minnow like Turkey with a savvy and bolshy leader like Erdogan twisting out a deal with the EU very much to his advantage.

I think May will continue to bait Juncker because she knows he has a loose mouth.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

It's our demise you should be worried about. No one gains if we don't get a deal but everyone knows it matters to us far more than it matters to them! They will take a hit but we'll suffer long term. Now how exactly is brexit and being outside the single market going to benefit the ordinary person in this country?

You make many assumptions.
And if you really refuse to balance the debate in forums like this and see that there are positives as well as negatives, no amount of discussion will persuade you otherwise - but there will be no "demise".
You disregard that those remaining within the EU27 will be bound by their restrictive and protectionist rules - we will not, so that alone is a benefit "to the ordinary person in this country".


Have a read:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-29/bad-brexit-deal-better-no-deal-mathematical-idiocy

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Which sectors will happily play along with having their sales to the UK put at risk with trade barriers?


The Danish pork sector?
The Dutch cut flower sector?
Spanish fruit n veg growers that supply our supermarkets?
Holland's UK export market accounting for 9% of their exports.


Talk me through how millions of Europeans we applaud their own demise at the behest of a far away privileged elite in Brussels?

People are going to lose out on both sides regardless of what deal we manage to get with Brexit (excluding a not-really-brexit). Are any of these people going to make enough noise to overturn it? I really doubt it.

You mention some export industries in Denmark, Holland, Spain (and Germany), but how big are they compared to the EU as a whole? Can the EU force a deal which still allows these goods to move across the borders easily, excluding others? Are there no other markets for these things?

I know you think you're onto something with a few smallish EU industries that'll hurt, but to the entire continent/bloc the impact they'll suffer is pretty insignificant. The EU isn't going to give the UK a special deal just to satisfy the Spanish fruit growers.
Just like the finance industry doesn't have any power to stop Brexit from the UK side, and they make up nearly 9% of the UK economy.

Or are you trying to claim that the EU is suddenly more democratic than the UK, and backtrack on part of your justification for leaving in the first place?

Arklight

The UK has no idea what it even wants from Brexit at this point. We were meant to get £350 million a week and control over unskilled immigration.


Theresa May has made it clear that we will get neither. Now what we have is stupid alliterative slogans, a policy vacuum, and a Tory government desperate to get another election in before the wheels fall off.


Frankly, as a Remoaner, I have no idea what you people want, who you think is going to give it to you, or what you think you'll do when you get it. You don't seem to know yourselves.


How you think the EU has read your minds and is trying to confound you, I don't understand.


Maybe come up with one realistic objective and work from there.