If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

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Frankly, as a Remoaner, I have no idea what you people want, who you think is going to give it to you, or what you think you'll do when you get it. You don't seem to know yourselves.
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I want dirt cheap migrant labour from the developing world to replace more expensive EE labour doing the grotty jobs tbh.

I'd dump the minimum wage to get it.

We don't even need to offer permanent residency. Cheap labour would reduce operating costs, and we might stop outsourcing work for a change.

I suppose this is too right wing for most on here eh.

I couldn't give a stuff about the £350m argument.

Moby

Arklight wrote: »

The UK has no idea what it even wants from Brexit at this point. We were meant to get £350 million a week and control over unskilled immigration.


Theresa May has made it clear that we will get neither. Now what we have is stupid alliterative slogans, a policy vacuum, and a Tory government desperate to get another election in before the wheels fall off.


Frankly, as a Remoaner, I have no idea what you people want, who you think is going to give it to you, or what you think you'll do when you get it. You don't seem to know yourselves.


How you think the EU has read your minds and is trying to confound you, I don't understand.


Maybe come up with one realistic objective and work from there.

Good points. It's turning out as I feared. May is making an enemy of the EU in order to shore up her base. It is clear from the polls the public will fall for it and we'll have 'strong and stable govmt' which will sadly make us poorer and poorer. Significantly May is making as few promises as possible because she and Hammond know they don't want to give any hostages to fortune. They need to protect the revenue streams to pay the deficit the brexit fallout will result in. We have a weak opposition and no-one is challenging her about her plan!........perhaps her and Philip, (her hedge fund manager husband) will explain all on their 'One Show' appearance.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

I want dirt cheap migrant labour from the developing world to replace more expensive EE labour doing the grotty jobs tbh.

I'd dump the minimum wage to get it.

We don't even need to offer permanent residency. Cheap labour would reduce operating costs, and we might stop outsourcing work for a change.

I suppose this is too right wing for most on here eh.

I couldn't give a stuff about the £350m argument.

Some, like AMSJ, perceive Brexit as an opportunity for wages to increase and coax the willing unemployed back into the labour market.

One of you will be disappointed. Maybe both.

I wish I was one of those who see the big win as leaving the EU regardless of the consequences - they must be as happy as Larry.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

Some, like AMSJ, perceive Brexit as an opportunity for wages to increase and coax the willing unemployed back into the labour market.
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If you are constrained on labour supply then I can see an argument as to why you try and innovate and improve efficiency to compensate.

By making people more productive you have a chance to improve wage levels.

Some of the unemployed are stuffed anyway though. If migrants aren't their downfall, then technology will be.

I don't see why we tout the current immigration arrangement as a panacea. There are houses being rented out to groups of 20/30 or more. This seems positively Victorian to me.

I can't see how a migrant would accept living in such arrangements for any more than a couple of years. The first signs of better opportunities elsewhere in Europe and they would be off.

Hey, but people like my cousin doesn't care. He will rent out to whoever, so long as the money rolls in. Maybe he is right?

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Good points. It's turning out as I feared. May is making an enemy of the EU in order to shore up her base. It is clear from the polls the public will fall for it and we'll have 'strong and stable govmt' which will sadly make us poorer and poorer. Significantly May is making as few promises as possible because she and Hammond know they don't want to give any hostages to fortune. They need to protect the revenue streams to pay the deficit the brexit fallout will result in. We have a weak opposition and no-one is challenging her about her plan!........perhaps her and Philip, (her hedge fund manager husband) will explain all on their 'One Show' appearance.

As usual you and others give the 'other side' a free ride when its comes to blatant politicking but when the UK Government indulges in the same you're all over it like a rash.
When the UK said it wouldn't give a running commentary on specifics during the negotiations, it meant it.
This election was called partly to unite the country behind her vision of how we leave the EU, I sense the British people share that vision.
Talk of a Brexit induced "deficit" and the UK becoming "poorer and poorer" obviously fits your bitter 'counsel of despair' narrative, but forgive me for not taking the economic predictions of the average remain voter to seriously. At best it's way too early say whether as a nation we've voted to make ourselves poorer.

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

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This election was called partly to unite the country behind her vision of how we leave the EU, I sense the British people share that vision.
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The chance to inflict damaging wounds to their opposition is a bonus I guess.

I don't blame PM May. She has to go into the negotiations in as strong a position as possible.

I have no doubt any of the other potential leaders would sell us down the river.

The thought of the intellectual might of Diane Abbot facing up to her EU counterparts is frightening.

Tromking

kabayiri wrote: »

The chance to inflict damaging wounds to their opposition is a bonus I guess.

I don't blame PM May. She has to go into the negotiations in as strong a position as possible.

I have no doubt any of the other potential leaders would sell us down the river.

The thought of the intellectual might of Diane Abbot facing up to her EU counterparts is frightening.

The narrow Conservative party interest will also be served with this election. No problem with that, that's politics.
It was rumoured that the EU were going to use PM May`s smallish majority as a lever during the negotiations, so despite saying that a thumping Tory majority changes nothing, again its all good politics.
May is impressing me.

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

As usual you and others give the 'other side' a free ride when its comes to blatant politicking but when the UK Government indulges in the same you're all over it like a rash.
When the UK said it wouldn't give a running commentary on specifics during the negotiations, it meant it.
This election was called partly to unite the country behind her vision of how we leave the EU, I sense the British people share that vision.
Talk of a Brexit induced "deficit" and the UK becoming "poorer and poorer" obviously fits your bitter 'counsel of despair' narrative, but forgive me for not taking the economic predictions of the average remain voter to seriously. At best it's way too early say whether as a nation we've voted to make ourselves poorer.

I find it extremely difficult to understand how a fellow public service worker who works in an area which has been subjected to savage cuts by the Govmt can nevertheless support them. It's basically nonsensical. I mean Tromking you've had a front row seat over the last few years. What do you think she'll do to public services with a huge majority? Don't you fear for your/colleagues future. Don't you worry about the consequences of the issues I've raised? Head in hands at working class tories! what chance for change in this country when people who have relatively little choose to vote for politicians who are screwing them! Its incomprehensible! We do have a history of being fawning lackeys to royalty/the elite and do tend to concentrate on personalities instead of ideas or values; perhaps it's a child like trust that the elite will do right by us. Very strange! We have short lived rebellions against such naive attitudes. WW2 shook up the workers and got rid of Churchill and resulted in real change......... the NHS, pensions etc.......and then the elite come back and start looking after their own again. Bringing up the spectre of Diane Abbott is just lazy puerile and irrelevant. It should be about values/policies not personalities!

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

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It should be about values/policies not personalities!

You missed out the key word which makes me question your understanding frankly.

Values and policies are nothing without effective implementation.

If Labour were unable to implement genuine reforms for the betterment of all in the pre-crash years, then just what chance have they got now?

Abbott does illustrate empty soundbite politics without any depth.

mystic_trev

https://www.nytimes.com/times-journeys/travel/brexit-means-brexit/