If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

prosaver wrote: »

we wouldn't accept it and walk away.
soon as everyone finds out what the Germans are doing, are people going to really buy German products, supporting German jobs while ours go down the pan..


[I think the remainers would tho, ]

People still buy clothes made in sweatshops, or cosmetics tested on animals etc. Ethics only get them so far. So no, I doubt the Brits will stop buying German cars unless they can no longer afford to do so.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

People still buy clothes made in sweatshops, or cosmetics tested on animals etc. Ethics only get them so far. So no, I doubt the Brits will stop buying German cars unless they can no longer afford to do so.

Isn't that the end goal for the EU though?

The EU elite have made it very clear that they do not want UK to profit, and by extension this means the UK car buyer no?

If a viable Chinese made alternative car popped up at 60% of the price of the European alternative we wouldn't care about the working conditions of the Chinese car worker either.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Isn't that the end goal for the EU though?

The EU elite have made it very clear that they do not want UK to profit, and by extension this means the UK car buyer no?

Have they? I've seen them say that Brexit is going to be punishing enough, and that Britain isn't going to get a special deal. I've not seen any mention of them actually wanting to hurt us.

It'd be stupid anyway, if we prosper, so do they.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Have they? I've seen them say that Brexit is going to be punishing enough, and that Britain isn't going to get a special deal. I've not seen any mention of them actually wanting to hurt us.

It'd be stupid anyway, if we prosper, so do they.

Whenever have politics and stupidity been mutually exclusive though?

I half think it's in the interest of politicians from both sides to talk up the difficulty of making a deal.

It's not really. We both want to buy and sell stuff to each other. We already do this so the relationships are already there.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Whenever have politics and stupidity been mutually exclusive though?

Good point.

It's not really. We both want to buy and sell stuff to each other. We already do this so the relationships are already there.

It's orders of magnitude more complex than most would imagine, even just in terms of codifying it. It could be pretty quick if we agree to just codify all EU laws into UK law (for now) and adhere to EU law for any exports. But that wouldn't really be a Brexit.

Moby

posh*spice wrote: »

The absolute best thing about leaving the EU is that we don't have to care what Germany and France are "up to". We will be an independent country running ourselves and making our own decisions. We are playing our own game and forging our own way in the world - the German's won't be "the ref" any more - the British people will.

Fantastic. It's so exciting. I can't wait.

This view seems naive to me. We have 27 other countries lined up against us on the next door continent....led by France and Germany who clearly won't do us any favours. Our capacity to play our own game depends on other countries whether we like it or not. The brexiteers of Sunderland are hardly forging their own way in the world...they voted the way they did to cut down immigration. 'We are playing our own game'..........again naive....as a public service worker I've had no pay rise for 7 years.....I don't feel I'm playing a part in any game. For people like me the economy is likely to shrink, inflation go up etc because of the effects of brexit....what exactly is 'so exciting'. What are we going to do in the next few years that we couldn't do while in the EU and how will that benefit ordinary people? Be specific Posh.....none of that Conrad 'exciting trade deals in prospect' pipe dream nonsense please!

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Good point.



It's orders of magnitude more complex than most would imagine, even just in terms of codifying it. It could be pretty quick if we agree to just codify all EU laws into UK law (for now) and adhere to EU law for any exports. But that wouldn't really be a Brexit.

It could be part of a transition plan though.

I don't think Joe Public would give a monkeys about the trading details. They think Brexit will stop some of the migration abuses they hear about in the tabloids and from the FB fanatics. They probably don't even care about the ECJ.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

This view seems naive to me. We have 27 other countries lined up against us on the next door continent....led by France and Germany who clearly won't do us any favours.
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27 who will act as a collective as long as each thinks they gain.

But what happens if the UK were to target the soft underbelly?

We've punished Ireland in the past, for example, so why wouldn't it happen again?

I'll be honest. I don't care what methods are used, as long as we get the best deal possible. Even if it turns dirty.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

kabayiri wrote: »

27 who will act as a collective as long as each thinks they gain.

But what happens if the UK were to target the soft underbelly?

We've punished Ireland in the past, for example, so why wouldn't it happen again?

I'll be honest. I don't care what methods are used, as long as we get the best deal possible. Even if it turns dirty.

It has already started.
Ireland.
Holland.
Denmark.
Even Bavarians within Germany, all calling for moderation to protect their own livelihoods.
As has been posted earlier in this thread.

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It has already started.
Ireland.
Holland.
Denmark.
Even Bavarians within Germany, all calling for moderation to protect their own livelihoods.
As has been posted earlier in this thread.

Perfectly natural.

As a state politician you are elected to represent your own citizens' interests first, ahead of any EU principle.