If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

Here is an editorial from the Independant about the recent outbreak of misunderstanding.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/jean-claude-juncker-says-theresa-may-deluded-scathing-call-angela/

"So Mrs May's bluff is being called, and the realities behind the diplomacy of Brexit are coming into focus. Europe is the world's largest trading and economic bloc. The UK is a great trading nation that earns an uncomfortably high proportion of its living from trade and investment with the continent. We need them more than they need us. That is the fundamental truth about the balance of power. "

The Telegraph does not appear to subscribe to the "they need us more than we need them" as is often mentioned by some posters in this thread.

Yah_Boo_Sux

gfplux wrote: »

That interesting.
"Since we are only too well-aware of the attitudes of Junckers, Tusk, Merkel et al."
Why do you think that? How are you well-aware of the attitudes of those players. Are you just as well acquainted with the attitude of the British Prime Minister? If so could you tell me because I don't.

You certainly have a good point that the Government are having to concentrate on an election campaign. Don't you worry that the British Government have spent a large amount of the last ten months analysing and preparing to exit the EU and now are wrapped up in the election campaign. When do you think they have time to govern the Country?

I agree with Jock.
How do I know what Junckers is like?
Well forgive the source of the link but maybe the video it includes will show you.
Junckers "Pfft!"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723871/jean-claude-juncker-eu-summit-theresa-may-speech

Great example of professionalism there.

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Here is an editorial from the Independant about the recent outbreak of misunderstanding.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/jean-claude-juncker-says-theresa-may-deluded-scathing-call-angela/

"So Mrs May's bluff is being called, and the realities behind the diplomacy of Brexit are coming into focus. Europe is the world's largest trading and economic bloc. The UK is a great trading nation that earns an uncomfortably high proportion of its living from trade and investment with the continent. We need them more than they need us. That is the fundamental truth about the balance of power. "

The Telegraph does not appear to subscribe to the "they need us more than we need them" as is often mentioned by some posters in this thread.

You've got your newspapers and links mixed up.

Either way it's clearly Theresa May calling the EU's bluff.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

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You certainly have a good point that the Government are having to concentrate on an election campaign. Don't you worry that the British Government have spent a large amount of the last ten months analysing and preparing to exit the EU and now are wrapped up in the election campaign. When do you think they have time to govern the Country?

I'm not worried.

Nothing would happen in the next couple of months regards the EU negotiations anyway.

We need a period of absolutely strong government. You don't go in to these negotiations with a faint heart. You have to be prepared to fight for everything you can get.

I think May will hope to paint the EU as the big bully bad guys, in case she needs to convince the public that they forced us out.

This development convinces me that my concerns that the EU being a completely autocratic organisation are well founded. There are large numbers of people in Europe who don't like the end goal of the EU project, yet they will be suppressed no matter what.

I really don't understand why the people of Scotland would want to be a minnow in such a club.

alewin

Arklight wrote: »

Would you like to to be the first Brexit supporter on this thread to actually articulate one single rule or regulation imposed on you, or in fact any industry in the UK, by the EU that has attenuated your ability to fulfil your potential?

The rule that states people from the furthest reaches of Europe, after just 3 months, are entitled to all the benefits as someone who has lived here and paid tax all their lives.

People can come from Europe, get a low paid job, then claim tax credits, child benefit, put their name down for a council house or claim housing benefit, they cannot be discriminated against. We are paying them to come and be able to afford to live here like a big charity.

Meanwhile, since the EU expansion in 2004, house prices and especially renting have gone through the roof. I know people who's kids cannot afford to move out and buy their own home at the moment because of this.

People who are currently renting in this county, especially in the big cities must be paying at least £4k to £6k minimum extra every year because of the EU freedom of movement and the number of people who have come here over the last 10 years or so. Same for those people who bought their own homes, maybe after 2008 when the prices really started to rise. They paid, and are continuing to pay for inflated house prices that should not have been the case if Politicians cared more for the people who elect them, instead they seem to care far more for other European citizens rights and their welfare.

People who come here from other parts of the world to work or because they have family members here are normally not entitled to any benefits for 5 years. That's how it should be.

Being a part of the EU used to be a good thing, for over 30 years, when all the member countries had similar economic strengths and shared values. Since the expansion in 2004 with those poorer nations, the influx has been too much and too quick and it is literally costing millions of people in this country thousands and thousands extra every year just to have a roof over their head. House prices did not have to go this high.

How dare people like you and Politicians, who mostly get their expenses paid for by tax payers, tell me that being in the EU is still a good thing.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

That interesting.
"Since we are only too well-aware of the attitudes of Junckers, Tusk, Merkel et al."
Why do you think that? How are you well-aware of the attitudes of those players. Are you just as well acquainted with the attitude of the British Prime Minister? If so could you tell me because I don't.

You certainly have a good point that the Government are having to concentrate on an election campaign. Don't you worry that the British Government have spent a large amount of the last ten months analysing and preparing to exit the EU and now are wrapped up in the election campaign. When do you think they have time to govern the Country?

Heh, you have enough replies already I see.

Maybe it's time you stopped your pro-EU blustering and actually digested some of the information widely available regarding the EU and their Brexit concerns.
Then you might see that - as has already been said - it very clearly seems to be Theresa May who is calling the EU's bluff.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

When do you think they have time to govern the Country?

The public sector doesn't stop working. Just because it's election time. The existing mandates continue until further notice.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Regarding the alleged Junckers "row", it is now being widely reported as being nothing more than gossip.
Here's a piece from Auntie Beeb, though other sources are available:

Theresa May has dismissed as "Brussels gossip" an account of a dinner with EC President Jean-Claude Juncker, published in a German newspaper.

Jeremy Cliffe, the Berlin bureau chief for the Economist, raised the article on Twitter, posting 30 tweets outlining the dinner's highlights.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's World at One, he said people should take the article "with a pinch of salt" as it had reportedly been leaked by only one side of the talks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39770328


Also:

Former party leader Iain Duncan Smith told Channel 4 News: "The reality is there is no trouble because this is all pre-negotiation guff really, at the end of the day, so it should be put in that basket and then we'll get on with the negotiation."

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/national/article/May-Press-reports-about-Brexit-talks-with-Juncker-just-Brussels-gossip-8973ef18-218c-480d-b766-4ba97cde7e37-ds

Tromking

BBC now reporting that the UK Gvt. concerned about the level of trust they can have in the EU side if the leaks continue, especially if as they fear its going to be a deliberate tactic to do so.

Quasar

Of course the UK media and politicians are playing it all down. I probably would too in their shoes.