If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

Juncker meeting with May;

Juncker: You need to pay us £60Bn, give whatever rights we deem fit to EU citizens, agree to be bound by all ECJ rulings, agree not to deregulate financial rules, no cutting Corp. tax and these other 23 demands. Then we'll start talking about trade deals.

May: Could you give some indication as to what potential trade deals we might expect?

Juncker: What?? Before you sign up to agree everything else first? You're living in a complete fantasy world woman.

Thanks for that.
Sounds like it did not go well.

gfplux

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

My pleasure.:D

https://mobile.twitter.com/Frances_Coppola?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Thank you.
I don't twitter but,
Just have now read her blog.
She voted remain.
She excepts there will be a hard Brexit.
She excepts that Brexit is going ahead.

I have not seen any anti May comments.

However I except that anyone who opposes Britain leaving the EU is on the other side of the argument to you.
That does not mean that they can not draw our attention to flaws in the process.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

There are a large number of leaks from the EU side about how badly the Wednesday meeting/dinner went between May and Junker.
Very little is coming out of Downing Street.
Perhaps I have missed it.
Any links please. Thank you.

These I have but they are not necessarily main stream.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/05/01/economist-journalists-twitter-thread-gone-viral-tells-uncomfortable-truths-theresa-mays-negotiating-position/

http://www.politico.eu/article/britains-brexit-denial/

It's interesting that the first thing Juncker did after leaving the Downing Street dinner was to get on the phone to his boss Angela who then changed the speech she was due to give to tell us that we needed to get real. That suggests to me that Juncker and co thought we would just roll over and give in to their demands and was shocked when we didn't. It leaves me wondering just who it is who needs to get real.

Shakethedisease

gfplux wrote: »

Thank you.
I don't twitter but,
Just have now read her blog.
She voted remain.
She excepts there will be a hard Brexit.
She excepts that Brexit is going ahead.

I have not seen any anti May comments.

However I except that anyone who opposes Britain leaving the EU is on the other side of the argument to you.
That does not mean that they can not draw our attention to flaws in the process.

The original story everyone is talking about is in the FAZ. Translated on Twitter.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

However I except that anyone who opposes Britain leaving the EU is on the other side of the argument to you.
That does not mean that they can not draw our attention to flaws in the process.

If you really believe that, why then do you not at least acknowledge the multiple flaws in the EU's stance?
You could take off your EU rose-tinted specs just once and attempt a little even-handed objectivity, surely?
These flaws have been brought to your attention enough in these past few pages of this thread alone, and there are more:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72481857&postcount=19302

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72478928&postcount=19289

Also you appear to ignore exactly how these talks will progress, as set out very clearly in Article 50.
I wonder why?

To recap for you:
EU officials determine what these talks will comprise of (NOT the UK; this is what Friday's EU meeting confirmed).
The EU lays out its proposals, as they now have: 60 billion etc. etc. etc.
The UK is to negotiate with the EU on that basis; the EU dictates the terms and the UK negotiates.
The remaining EU27 vote upon the outcome.
By Friday March 29th 2019 agreement should be reached.

The EU or even the UK may suggest this is near and ask for an extension; it looks unlikely on the UK's part however should the EU prove as belligerent as they have so far.

Or agreement will not be reached.
Perhaps with no clear agreement even possible in the near-term.
In which case the UK may well say something along the lines of: "Your two years are up. No deal, so we're off. So long and by the way, we're taking all our fish back too."


This above has absolutely nothing to do with a pro- or a con stance.
It is how Article 50 works, put as simply as possible.
With simplified possibilities for either stance, pro-EU or pro-UK.
Simplified purely because the unknowns are as yet obviously unknown.

Now, many times I have said that I do not expect the process to be without difficulties; some good and some bad will undoubtedly result since that is the way of the world.
But this applies equally to the EU27.
Their disadvantage will be that they will remain tied to their own bureaucracy and rules whereas the UK will not.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

There are a large number of leaks from the EU side about how badly the Wednesday meeting/dinner went between May and Junker.
Very little is coming out of Downing Street.
Perhaps I have missed it.
Any links please. Thank you.
...

There's an election on. That's our priority.

There is no need to discuss internal matters from a dinner.

We don't discuss or interfere with French election machinations.

That's it basically.

Arklight

Brexiteers are spinning around in ever decreasing circles.

Based on their predictions last year, the EU was meant to be in a state of near collapse by now, begging us for a trade deal, with the rest of the world lining up with open arms.

Juncker has told May exactly what is going to happen. She will wait, and the UK, whatever will be left of it, will accept European terms or it will get nothing.

Meanwhile Brexit is yesterday's news for the rest of the world no matter how many airmiles Liam Davis racks up.

I can see why May called an election now. Brexit is going to be an absolute forking disaster and she knows it.

Interesting how rapidly support for the Tories is in freefall at the moment.

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

There's an election on. That's our priority.

There is no need to discuss internal matters from a dinner.

We don't discuss or interfere with French election machinations.

That's it basically.

There's an election on which is entirely about Brexit, called by a Brexit Prime Minister who refuses to appear in public debate, asking the nation for an increased mandate from the electorate to negotiate a Brexit half the nation doesn't want.

I would say they this is a pretty important leak for most of us.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

Brexiteers are spinning around in ever decreasing circles.

Based on their predictions last year, the EU was meant to be in a state of near collapse by now, begging us for a trade deal, with the rest of the world lining up with open arms.

Juncker has told May exactly what is going to happen. She will wait, and the UK, whatever will be left of it, will accept European terms or it will get nothing.

Meanwhile Brexit is yesterday's news for the rest of the world no matter how many airmiles Liam Davis racks up.

I can see why May called an election now. Brexit is going to be an absolute forking disaster and she knows it.

Interesting how rapidly support for the Tories is in freefall at the moment.

Oh dear, are you another poor soul stuck in a country they hate?

BTW, Mr Blair has just ensured the collapse of any resurgent potential labour votes just for balance.
Monster Raving Loony party, anyone?
:T

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh dear, are you another poor soul stuck in a country they hate?

BTW, Mr Blair has just ensured the collapse of any resurgent potential labour votes just for balance.
Monster Raving Loony party, anyone?
:T

It's interesting that you should say that, considering it appears to be the Brexiteers who are the ones belyaching that they hate the country they are in, that it's all run by Lefty Elites, and if only the clock could be turned back to 1953 everything would be grand.

But it isn't 1953, and by 2053 very few people who actually wanted Brexit will be left to see how it panned out. Will that be enough to push May over the post with the increased majority she expects, especially with her lead in freefall at the moment.