If we vote for Brexit what happens

Quasar

WengerIn wrote: »

An American view of Brexit:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2017/04/30/the-uk-government-is-completely-deluded-about-brexit/#7405274e4f04

The whole article is very interesting, thanks. Unfortunately, those who most need to read it won't go past the first few paragraphs. Chief among these is Mrs May herself.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

It's interesting that you should say that, considering it appears to be the Brexiteers who are the ones belyaching that they hate the country they are in, that it's all run by Lefty Elites, and if only the clock could be turned back to 1953 everything would be grand.

But it isn't 1953, and by 2053 very few people who actually wanted Brexit will be left to see how it panned out. Will that be enough to push May over the post with the increased majority she expects, especially with her lead in freefall at the moment.

I await with interest your forthcoming explanation of how patriotic belief in the UK's ability to do better free of certain shackles equates to your somewhat fuzzy logic of "bellyache"?

Oh and if you are capable do you think you might be able not to use derogatory, inflammatory terminology?
I won't hold my breath waiting.

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I await with interest your forthcoming explanation of how patriotic belief in the UK's ability to do better free of certain shackles equates to your somewhat fuzzy logic of "bellyache"?

Oh and if you are capable do you think you might be able not to use derogatory, inflammatory terminology?
I won't hold my breath waiting.

Would you like to to be the first Brexit supporter on this thread to actually articulate one single rule or regulation imposed on you, or in fact any industry in the UK, by the EU that has attenuated your ability to fulfil your potential?

I'm not going to hold my breath. Was it you who thought that India made up most of our inward investment when in fact on a good year its all of about 3%, by the way?

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Arklight wrote: »

Would you like to to be the first Brexit supporter on this thread to actually articulate one single rule or regulation imposed on you, or in fact any industry in the UK, by the EU that has attenuated your ability to fulfil your potential?

I'm not going to hold my breath. Was it you who thought that India made up most of our inward investment when in fact on a good year its all of about 3%, by the way?

Now you obfuscate?
Lovely, just what is expected from a delusional remain advocate.

Try to just answer the question if you can: "I await with interest your forthcoming explanation of how patriotic belief in the UK's ability to do better free of certain shackles equates to your somewhat fuzzy logic of "bellyache"?"

Another thread where you are proven wrong.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

Would you like to to be the first Brexit supporter on this thread to actually articulate one single rule or regulation imposed on you, or in fact any industry in the UK, by the EU that has attenuated your ability to fulfil your potential?

I'm not going to hold my breath. Was it you who thought that India made up most of our inward investment when in fact on a good year its all of about 3%, by the way?

So now you lie too?
Besides not answering my question you misquote previous posts regarding Indian investment!

Just answer my question and explain how patriotic belief in the UK's ability to do better free of certain shackles equates to your somewhat fuzzy logic of "bellyache"?

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

It's interesting that the first thing Juncker did after leaving the Downing Street dinner was to get on the phone to his boss Angela who then changed the speech she was due to give to tell us that we needed to get real. That suggests to me that Juncker and co thought we would just roll over and give in to their demands and was shocked when we didn't. It leaves me wondering just who it is who needs to get real.

I now see that reports of the Wednesday meeting/dinner being reported in U.K. media.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jean-claude-juncker-theresa-may-brexit-negotiations-downing-street-dinner-a7711526.html
"One cannot blame Theresa May and her mono-lingual No 10 team. Not since its 1930s coverage of Germany has the majority of the British media, including the BBC, been so poor in covering the main challenge to Britain’s future in half a century."

The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/01/jean-claude-juncker-to-theresa-may-on-brexit-im-10-times-more-sceptical-than-i-was-before

"A devastating account of a dinner in Downing Street between Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker has emerged, claiming the European commission president ended discussions about a potential Brexit deal by telling the British prime minister: “I’m leaving Downing Street 10 times more sceptical than I was before.”

Those close to Juncker are said to have subsequently concluded that the chances of Brexit talks failing were now “over 50%”. An EU spokesman declined to comment, except to point out that Juncker had told reporters at a summit on Saturday that the dinner was a “very constructive meeting, a friendly atmosphere”."

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

There's an election on. That's our priority.

There is no need to discuss internal matters from a dinner.

We don't discuss or interfere with French election machinations.

That's it basically.

Now news of the meeting/dinner is entering the UK media.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jean-claude-juncker-theresa-may-brexit-negotiations-downing-street-dinner-a7711526.html

"Europe is waking up on May Day to the most devastating document published so far on Brexit. In what appears to be an almost verbatim account of the Downing Street dinner last Wednesday in which Theresa May and David Davis broke bread with Jean-Claude Juncker and Michel Barnier, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung Sunday edition details the sheer astonishment of the EU negotiators at May’s position."

The Telegraph carries the same story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/01/jean-claude-juncker-says-theresa-may-deluded-scathing-call-angela/

The most tense talks came over Britain's Brexit divorce bill. The European Union is calling on the EU to pay up to £50billion to fulfill its obligations to the EU.

Mrs May reportedly insisted that the UK is not legally obliged to pay the EU anything, which appears to have prompted an angry response. Mr Juncker suggested that without paying a divorce bill Britain would be unable to secure a future trade deal.

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/01/jean-claude-juncker-to-theresa-may-on-brexit-im-10-times-more-sceptical-than-i-was-before

"A devastating account of a dinner in Downing Street between Theresa May and Jean-Claude Juncker has emerged, claiming the European commission president ended discussions about a potential Brexit deal by telling the British prime minister: “I’m leaving Downing Street 10 times more sceptical than I was before.”

Those close to Juncker are said to have subsequently concluded that the chances of Brexit talks failing were now “over 50%”. An EU spokesman declined to comment, except to point out that Juncker had told reporters at a summit on Saturday that the dinner was a “very constructive meeting, a friendly atmosphere”."

A_Medium_Size_Jock

As has been said earlier, there's an election on.
That is the UK's priority.
Not discussing the not-exactly-unexpected internal matters from a dinner meeting.

We all know by now that negotiations will not commence until after this election.
Let us see what transpires then rather than worrying about that which does not immediately concern us since we are only too well-aware of the attitudes of Junckers, Tusk, Merkel et al.
After all we all realise that much can change overnight, never mind in the weeks to come.

Rinoa

So, how many were at this dinner. I can't see it being that many. And the supposed leak obviously came from the EU side.

I would imagine Juncker and a just few high ranking EU officials. Whoever leaked from such a small number must have known there was a very good chance they would be implicated.

That being the case can we assume it was Juncker who sanctioned the leak (or fake news, take your pick).

Interesting that the leaked report was collated by Jeremy Cliffe, editor of the Economist. He's a labour supporter and was part of Ed Millibands campaign team. So he's obviously going to put a left leaning spin on it.

In truth we don't know what was exactly said or the reason behind the leak. I suspect a high degree of skulduggery is involved.

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

As has been said earlier, there's an election on.
That is the UK's priority.
Not discussing the not-exactly-unexpected internal matters from a dinner meeting.

We all know by now that negotiations will not commence until after this election.
Let us see what transpires then rather than worrying about that which does not immediately concern us since we are only too well-aware of the attitudes of Junckers, Tusk, Merkel et al.
After all we all realise that much can change overnight, never mind in the weeks to come.

That interesting.
"Since we are only too well-aware of the attitudes of Junckers, Tusk, Merkel et al."
Why do you think that? How are you well-aware of the attitudes of those players. Are you just as well acquainted with the attitude of the British Prime Minister? If so could you tell me because I don't.

You certainly have a good point that the Government are having to concentrate on an election campaign. Don't you worry that the British Government have spent a large amount of the last ten months analysing and preparing to exit the EU and now are wrapped up in the election campaign. When do you think they have time to govern the Country?