If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

But toothless brexiteering Bob from Burnley and his ilk will slurp their Pot Noodles safe in the knowledge we've 'got our country back'.

No!
*Sobs*

So how will all these noodles be gathered from the extra noodle trees to make the Pot Noodles that you so love to tell us "Bob from Burnley and his ilk" will slurp?

*Idea*
How about some crust-free all-British and traditional cucumber sandwiches instead?


Oh, and would the Health Committee quoted in the original link be the same Health Committee which has so far done little to maintain standards across UK health services, never mind totally fail to improve them?

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

No reason why we can't go back to making as many cars as we did half a century ago and the parts too.

Seriously? UK motor industry itself was in a dire state. The arrival of the Japanese was the turning point. Brought with them new ways of working. New style of management.

CKhalvashi

Rinoa wrote: »

Back in 1972 tariffs were much higher than they are now. And we manufactured over 2,000,000 cars. Then we joined the EEC (EU).

45 years of tariff free trading with the wonderful EU and we've never made as many since. Go figure.

Would it be because most stuff British Leyland made was...well...not very good?

Then we look at MG-Rover, take a hard think, and remember that not even BMW could turn it around.

If for similar money you can get something better but imported, would you? I know I would

Tromking

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It sounds like these "EU leaders" are worried IMHO.
Preparing the way for "no deal" and acknowledging at last the possibility of how their (seemingly) immovable stance will be accepted.
If they can even get the EU27 to accept the stance in the first place, of course.

Good.
Bring it on, as they say.

Spot on Jock.
Attempting to paint the UK as totally unrealistic in its expectations is perhaps a way of pre-warning EU citizens that 'no deal' is on its way.
I`m no expert in body language, but the EU big players seem really downbeat, in contrast to PM May et al who seem remarkably bullish and positive.
I wonder if the EU`s bluff has been called and consequently they are now content to make EU citizens suffer the consequences of a hard brexit to save face.

Rinoa

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seriously? UK motor industry itself was in a dire state.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Would it be because most stuff British Leyland made was...well...not very good?

All the more remarkable that we manufactured 2,000,000 in 1972, and most of the parts too.

The following year we joined Europe. Manufacturing has been on a downhill spiral ever since.

CKhalvashi

Rinoa wrote: »

All the more remarkable that we manufactured 2,000,000 in 1972, and most of the parts too.

The following year we joined Europe. Manufacturing has been on a downhill spiral ever since.

But the Rover SD1 (actually a car I really like the styling of; it still looks modern even though some production is older than I am) was IIRC plagued with reliability problems.

Quick Google suggests that it came onto the market in 1976. For similar money the Audi 100 and BMW E12 were IMO by far superior in terms of quality, and how well many of them lasted.

The VW Golf was far superior to the Allegro in terms of build quality too, and my father in the 90s had the Vauxhall Cavalier (a mk.2 estate, registered B897 XNM IIRC, but not sure where it was built), which was by far superior to the Maxi (only a few years older) that preceded it. Same goes for my mothers old Sierra ('J' reg), which I used to see about until about 10 years ago. That was built in Belgium.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

All the more remarkable that we manufactured 2,000,000 in 1972, and most of the parts too.

Needs to put into context. The world and supply chains weren't global.

Ford now uses suppliers in 62 countries.

22 of which are in high risk emerging markets.

Manufacturers in 62 sites.

1,200+ main parts suppliers , supplying over 100,000 parts.

Then there's 11,000+ indirect suppliers further down the chain.

Ford may build engines in the UK but the complexity of the chain is enormous.

Rinoa

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Needs to put into context. The world and supply chains weren't global.

Ford now uses suppliers in 62 countries.

22 of which are in high risk emerging markets.

Manufacturers in 62 sites.

1,200+ main parts suppliers , supplying over 100,000 parts.

Then there's 11,000+ indirect suppliers further down the chain.

Ford may build engines in the UK but the complexity of the chain is enormous.

We're digressing from the original point, which was the supposed difficulty of supply chains between the EU and UK after Brexit.

But as you correctly say. if Ford buy from 62 countries, then clearly being out of the EU isn't such a problem.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

Maybe the problem was caused by joining the Eu in the first place. Maybe we're not as smart or more likely we've been outmaneuvered by others bending EU rules (VW?), hidden subsidies?

No one seems keen on bringing VW to account in Europe. $4.3 billion settlement in the USA.

Private_Church

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Would it be because most stuff British Leyland made was...well...not very good?

Then we look at MG-Rover, take a hard think, and remember that not even BMW could turn it around.

If for similar money you can get something better but imported, would you? I know I would

You mean like the VW group who conned the public with the emissions tests or Peugeot Citroen who's car electrics are absolutely dire or Vauxhall who's cars have been in total denial about the car fires?......... Shall I continue?..:)

I'm no expert on the industry but aren't the UK car plants amongst the most efficient in Europe?