If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Can I just point out though that this is the main reason the Conservatives are showing as being so popular.

You haven't lived here long enough to fully understand the political landscape. Nor the history that accompanies how people think. 13 years of stewardship under a Chancellor (who then became PM) who made some fundamentally bad decisions. New Labour promised much. As recent events have shown Labour was actually more divided than the Tories.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You haven't lived here long enough to fully understand the political landscape. Nor the history that accompanies how people think. 13 years of stewardship under a Chancellor (who then became PM) who made some fundamentally bad decisions. New Labour promised much. As recent events have shown Labour was actually more divided than the Tories.

I've lived here more than long enough to know that, in fact I moved here under a Conservative government, and not the 2010 onwards one

The Conservatives have made some equally bad decisions in the last 1.5 Parliaments, the most fatal of which was caving into a mild threat from a political party that currently holds 0 seats, and probably would have won less than a handful had they not.

I've spoken to people who are happy with the way the current government are operating, and I've spoken to people who definitely are not. The question is how that will pan out in 2020, and the honest answer to that can only be that I don't know what the UK will look like in 2020, so I really don't know. Anyone that says they know is lying to you.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

The Conservatives have made some equally bad decisions in the last 1.5 Parliaments, the most fatal of which was caving into a mild threat from a political party that currently holds 0 seats, and probably would have won less than a handful had they not.

Which threat are you referring to?

No party is perfect. Economic stability and financial management had to be restored though. Like running a business. Tough decisions have to be made. Not a question of whether you like them or not. Doing nothing is not an option. Someone is going to be upset. That's the nature of life.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The expertise and knowledge remains in the UK though. Moving organisations isn't as simple as it sounds.

So they're just going to move the admin staff and leave the experts outside of the EU?

That's potentially the case initially, if remote working is allowed, but one would assume that any new hires would be based in the EU so the function will transition fully over to the EU due to attrition.

This isn't likely to be a brass-plating effort like the banks are going to try to do.

davomcdave

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I've lived here more than long enough to know that, in fact I moved here under a Conservative government, and not the 2010 onwards one

The Conservatives have made some equally bad decisions in the last 1.5 Parliaments, the most fatal of which was caving into a mild threat from a political party that currently holds 0 seats, and probably would have won less than a handful had they not.

I've spoken to people who are happy with the way the current government are operating, and I've spoken to people who definitely are not. The question is how that will pan out in 2020, and the honest answer to that can only be that I don't know what the UK will look like in 2020, so I really don't know. Anyone that says they know is lying to you.

I'm not sure if you have been in the UK long enough to know about this:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/1993/jul/25/politicalnews.uk

There is a vocal and fairly powerful Euroskeptic wing in the Conservative Party, mostly but not exclusively on the right of the party. It was that group that Cameron was trying to placate with the referendum not UKIP. UKIP were taking as may votes off Labour as off the Tories.

gfplux

noddynoo wrote: »

Remainers who are hoping to rejoin the EU in its current or possibly reformed state in the future would do well not to talk this country down so much that it won't qualify. We are leaving now and should try and make the best of it so that the UK is a decent place to live in or out

I am a Remainder and Talk of rejoining is in my opinion just hot air.
Remember after a Divorce very few get remarried and even if there were the appetite in Britain to rejoin the other 27 will ask a very high price or just say NO.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

You can repeat it as often as you wish, and leavers could repeat numerous project fear lies claiming we would now be in recession with soaring unemployment.

But it's all been done to death. Try posting something new.

OK something new.......How about this,
http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-no-longer-shaking-off-the-adverse-consequences-of-the-brexit-vote-2017-4?r=DE&IR=T
I am not going to quote the whole article as you can read it yourself, but
This
"The economy is no longer is shaking off the adverse consequences of the Brexit vote," according to economists at Pantheon Macroeconomics"
And this
"Real wages are falling. Inflation is set to exceed 3% in the second half of 2017 as retailers pass on higher prices on imports to consumers. Imports are costlier because the pound fell sharply in value after the EU referendum, and is yet to recover. Wage growth is not, however, set to keep pace with inflation, as the chart below indicates:"

gfplux

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

I think you'd 'lost it' when you started the thread.

Little did I think when I first posted my question in January 2016 how Britain would be on such an extraordinary journey that it is on today.

Mortgagefreeman

gfplux wrote: »

OK something new.......How about this,
http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-no-longer-shaking-off-the-adverse-consequences-of-the-brexit-vote-2017-4?r=DE&IR=T
I am not going to quote the whole article as you can read it yourself, but
This
"The economy is no longer is shaking off the adverse consequences of the Brexit vote," according to economists at Pantheon Macroeconomics"
And this

OK something not so new.

I'm not going to quote the whole article, but how about this from Pantheon Macroeconomics, just after the referendum.

All of this has led many of those who backed Brexit to argue that the economic doom and gloom predicted by the likes of Bank of England governor Mark Carney and the International Monetary Fund, is not actually going to materialise.

That is a view Pantheon's Chief UK Economist Samuel Tombs profoundly disagrees with. In a note titled "Reports of the Economy's Resilience are Greatly Exaggerated" circulated to clients on Tuesday, Tombs argues that this suggestion is essentially a fantasy.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/pantheon-macroeconomics-research-brexit-is-ruining-the-british-economy-2016-8

:rotfl:

gfplux

This is week old news but how to !!!! off some people and show your true colours.
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/04/top-brexiteers-now-openly-supporting-the-french-national-front/

"The influential pro-Brexit campaign that was led by Nigel Farage during the EU referendum has broken cover to openly back the far-right French National Front.
Leave.EU, which was fronted by Farage and is funded by former UKIP donor Arron Banks, today published a poster (below) praising the “common sense” of Marion Le Pen, a National Front MP and niece of party leader Marine Le Pen."