If we vote for Brexit what happens

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

Thank goodness the common sense public were involved in the decision to remain or leave.

That'll be the same common sense public that voted to join and well over a quarter of whom could be persuaded that voting for Michael Foot's Labour Party was a good idea!

I think we can boil down your arguments to a simple sentence: anyone that doesn't agree with you is an idiot.

Tromking

davomcdave wrote: »

I think we can boil down your arguments to a simple sentence: anyone that doesn't agree with you is an idiot.

Which has pretty much been your argument also.

davomcdave

Tromking wrote: »

Which has pretty much been your argument also.

The difference is that anyone who disagrees with me actually is an idiot.

davomcdave

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A country BTW which receives the highest payment per head of population from the EU.

There are only about 23 people that live in Luxembourg! Of course they get loads per head.

bugslet

vivatifosi wrote: »

I've started reading "The Road To Somewhere, The populist revolt and the future of politics" by David Goodhart and it is truly excellent.

Wednesday2000 wrote: »

Yes, I read that the other day. It was really spot on. I would say I am an Inbetweener, but I share a lot of values with Anywheres and I have been to uni and have grown up in London. It also made me feel guilty as I have said some of the patronising things that other Remainers have said.:o It made me feel like I understood more what some Leave voters thought and why they voted in the way they did.

Yes, it is good:), I'm only on the second chapter, but it has me riveted.

I voted Leave, though if the vote had been a few months earlier I would have voted Remain. I empathise with a lot of Remain still, but tilted the other way eventually. I frankly found it distressing to hear that I was bigoted, racist and small-minded. Even on the NP thread:(.

I've not read enough to say for sure, but I get the feeling it should be required reading!

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

I do find plenty of MP's inept when it comes to specific domains they know nothing of and yet pontificate on in grand tones.

I see no reason that many of them poses any expertise when it comes to the benefits or otherwise of the EU.

Listening to Leanne Wood the other night, utterly clueless, thinks Wales is incapable of farming unless managed by the mighty EU, it's just so short-sighted and backwards looking.

Underpinning her whole outlook is this notion we British are lame jellyfish on a tide of indifference that wont rise to the challenges, that somehow we fail unless the benevolent hand of Brussels steers the tiller.

Thank goodness the common sense public were involved in the decision to remain or leave.

The good people of South Wales Central are idiots because they vote for Leanne Wood to represent them but their decision to back Brexit is pure common sense?

I'm struggling to reconcile people being idiots one day and possessing laser focused common sense the next.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

The good people of South Wales Central are idiots because they vote for Leanne Wood to represent them but their decision to back Brexit is pure common sense?

I'm struggling to reconcile people being idiots one day and possessing laser focused common sense the next.

The people AS A WHOLE and in aggregate certainly have a better handle of common sense than the likes of Leanne. Just because some people in a part of Britain voted for her means nothing.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

The people AS A WHOLE and in aggregate certainly have a better handle of common sense than the likes of Leanne. Just because some people in a part of Britain voted for her means nothing.

Leanne Wood, according to you, is an idiot and you can't comprehend why anyone would be stupid enough to vote for her. However the exact same people you (not me) are calling stupid voted for Brexit but that's evidence they have a lot of common sense.

It does mean something. It means your evaluation of stupidity/ common-sense has nothing to do with intelligence or education but is based on whether people agree with you or not.

Moby

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034 The level of educational attainment was the most significant factor:- 'The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. (The data for this analysis comes from one in nine wards) The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census.' I believe those less well educated are more likely to believe the relevance of simplistic arguments on 'immigration numbers' or 'loss of sovereignty', 'taking back control' etc. Trite, simplistic arguments won the day against the more amorphous, internationalist, technocratic views of the remainers.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

I believe those less well educated are more likely to believe the relevance of simplistic arguments on 'immigration numbers' or 'loss of sovereignty',


.

I love it when Remoaners like James O'Brien assert we had full sovereignty all along, which implies we wont miss Brussels at all then!


I bet Remainers detest nasty Canada given it has an orderly immigration system - those simplistic minded Mounties.


We will still co-operate with and be good neighbours to the EU, trade will be fine. If you think that's simplistic, fine by me. I think it pretty foolhardy to have been hoodwinked by Project Nonsense.


I think you place an awful lot of snobbish heft on formal education. My entire family tree pretty much all were University educated, but I certainly don't respect them anymore than the bloke that left school at 16 and built a business with his own brain.


Zoe Williams at The Guardian wrote an interesting piece;


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/07/north-poor-brexit-myths