If we vote for Brexit what happens

bugslet

vivatifosi wrote: »

OMG... !!!!!! was the Daily Mail thinking running that headline today? Sexist knuckle dragging backward twonks.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/03/28/daily-mails-legs-it-headline-fuels-outrage

:wall::wall::wall: Let me dig these emoticons out of the vault for you.

davomcdave

Conrad wrote: »

There will be next to no difference between UK and EU but we will be fully in charge of tailoring our own affairs, and this autonomy will see us prosper more than would have been the case otherwise.


People and companies trade, your fixation with the bureaucratic SM model is typical of the way Civil Servants and technocrats view the world, not business people.

Presumably you realise that your argument contains an internal inconsistency.

Each time the UK makes a law on standards, for example my much mocked example about using imperial measures, that differs from the EU's standards it becomes a little bit harder to trade with the single market.

I suppose those differences could make it easier to trade elsewhere (e.g. introducing imperial measures making it easier to trade with the US) but leaving the single market and having the UK government make laws that will make it easier to trade in all cases seems to show a touching faith in the ability of the government not to screw things up.

At least when the EU agrees bad standards it equally hobbles all member states' abilities to compete. If the UK Government gets the power to set standards then you can rely on its unerring ability to cut British companies off from markets by error, omission or balls up.

Spidernick

Rinoa wrote: »

David Davis owned the show.

You are saying that from a pro-Leave viewpoint/bias. I think he did well, but wouldn't agree with that statement (I thought the other two pro-Leavers were poor).

From my pro-Remain, Labour-supporting viewpoint/bias, I thought Starmer was excellent and only wish someone like him was leading the Labour Party at the moment!

mayonnaise

BobQ wrote: »

Brexit QT just started on BBC1

Nick Clegg owned the show.

mayonnaise

Brexit-voting regions are most at risk from its economic effects

Wales, the north-east and East midlands 'vulnerable' to consequences of leaving EU

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-voting-regions-ukwales-north-east-midlands-most-risk-economic-effects-eu-divorce-demos-report-a7652421.html

Oh well. One can't say they weren't warned.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What she did was selfish (as a policy), undemocratic in terms of the unity of the EU and potentially damaging longer term (as migrants will bring their own culture and ideology). The tide of migrants isn't going to stop. As all they can see is economic benefit. The West has to help the people build lives in their homelands.

How are Syrian refugees meant to build a life in a homeland that is being bombed into tiny pieces?

Anyway, again this has nothing to do with the European Union. It's a domestic decision taken by Germany to allow people to claim asylum. Brexit won't reduce the amount of war in the world (unless it reduces the UK's ability to keep funding it), and it won't change our criteria for asylum status.

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It is indeed good for the UK and from reports, Dyson is unlikely to sell out.

Regarding the move - at that time (2002/3 btw when 1GB£ = US$2) Dyson was indeed maintaining profitability, hence my personal dislike as said earlier.
This however is absolutely no different to the majority of business - or are you suggesting that most business actually cares for "the average Joe"?
That may be described as delusional; business cares about profits, not the workers.
Although it may be rash to generalise, this applies pretty much everywhere.
Relating it to Brexit is disingenuous.

Exactly. Relating business to Brexit is disingenuous, so perhaps Dyson's expectations of a successful Brexit don't quite match yours and mine.

These are the questions that now need answers.

What protection will workers get post Brexit? Exactly how is Theresa May planning to build a sustainable economy where British companies aren't gobbled up and shut by foreign entities?

Where is this new housing coming from if immigration isn't going to fall?

The castles in the air need to start developing some actual foundations in real life now.

TrickyTree83

Arklight wrote: »

How are Syrian refugees meant to build a life in a homeland that is being bombed into tiny pieces?

Anyway, again this has nothing to do with the European Union. It's a domestic decision taken by Germany to allow people to claim asylum. Brexit won't reduce the amount of war in the world (unless it reduces the UK's ability to keep funding it), and it won't change our criteria for asylum status.

It's a common mistake to think accepting large swathes of people who are illiterate in their own language let alone the language of the country they are fleeing to will not be a mistake for the people fleeing and a mistake for the host.

It would have been better to fund new settlements in neighbouring safer countries than housing them and paying them welfare. The language barriers would not exist, the cultural similarities would be a benefit, EU money creating jobs in Jordan, Iraq, Turkey and others by funding the construction of semi-permanent or perhaps even permanent settlements. Sewer works, energy generation, desalinisation, home construction, infrastructure construction, building schools, hospitals, roads, training these people to create a society whilst helping them to improve their lot themselves and have a stake in what they create. Instead of letting them into the EU to rot away on welfare in ghettos.

Arklight

You are mistaken about Syria.

Syria has a decent high school system and nationally has around 90% literacy for men and women. The government has (had) invested quite heavily in higher education.

Within the region Syrians are seen as well educated, rather open minded people, who have a fairly secular adherence to Islam and have been subject to some very bad luck for a long time.

If you want a lot of young people in a short amount of time to shore up your ageing population, then you can do worse than a lot of Syrians.

Admittedly this isn't much comfort to the women who have been attacked, and the German government clearly has some lessons to learn about integrating large numbers of people from a Middle Eastern war zone at once.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

These are the questions that now need answers.

What protection will workers get post Brexit? Exactly how is Theresa May planning to build a sustainable economy where British companies aren't gobbled up and shut by foreign entities?

Where is this new housing coming from if immigration isn't going to fall?

The castles in the air need to start developing some actual foundations in real life now.

Perhaps you do not realise that in fact the UK's involvement in Brexit does not extend to implementing demands?
Requests yes; demands no.
We say we want out.
Then the EU will decide what it wants to do following which the UK responds; that is how it will work according to the wording of Article 50.
So the answers to your questions cannot be forthcoming without the EU first deciding upon a stance and in fact agreeing this stance with the UK.

Basically kinda like this from the BBC:




So you see, there will be no solid answers until (or if?) agreement is reached.
No one can say with certainty what protection for workers will be.
Or how UK business can be sustainable when the state of affairs post-Brexit has not been decided.
Or ....... well, there are many more examples of which yours are but a drop in the ocean.

Since you should now see that definitive answers are impossible without first knowing precisely the answer of what Brexit will mean, you can see that these castles in the air exist only in the imagination of those who expect a crystal-ball type of glimpse into the future.

To put it bluntly, expecting definitive answers regarding Brexit is delusional until agreement is reached - or until after leaving.
Fortunately however those "foundations" of which you speak start being built today with the triggering of Article 50.