If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Conrad, Could you please give me a list of examples of laws in which the EU has over ruled our Parliament?

I'm not here to write for Conrad, but I'm not sure he suggested that the EU has over ruled the UK Parliament.
For many the simple act of bringing all our elected law makers into one single 'local' parliament was quite a big deal.
On the flipside of that argument it is only right to acknowledge that some people had no problem and still don't with a cohort of unelected EU Commissioners making usually benign laws on our behalf in Brussels and Strasbourg.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

do we make doing trade easier or harder by leaving the EU? I say harder!

There will be next to no difference between UK and EU but we will be fully in charge of tailoring our own affairs, and this autonomy will see us prosper more than would have been the case otherwise.


People and companies trade, your fixation with the bureaucratic SM model is typical of the way Civil Servants and technocrats view the world, not business people.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Ask Conrad. It's his list. I think he's too busy though at present trying to google his way out another big hole he's dug for himself!

I'm asking you.
You are the one who originally questioned whether the investments would have been made had the UK retained EU membership; I would like to know if you can say that these investments would still have been made.
Because from here it looks pretty much like you are another one trying to "google his way out another big hole he's dug for himself".

Deny if you can that we were warned (repeatedly) that Brexit would lead to economic disaster.
The examples given and statistics so far refute those warnings.

Filo25

Conrad wrote: »

Ha, so apart from us, the top 4 are all independent nations and not in the marvellous EU.


Fancy that, independent nations prospering without the men of Brussels holding their hands.

And that's news because?

Its hardly a shock to anyone that the UK does very well when it comes to financial services, its certainly one of the areas where we have comparative strength.

Will Brexit help or hinder that sector?

I don't think you will find too many in the City who don't think that London's financial position will be hurt by Brexit, obviously there's a fair amount of debate as to how great that hurt will be, and equally who will be benefit from London's problems (many appear to think it will be NY rather than the EU which is the biggest winner)

We'll all get to see in a few years anyway, as people have repeated many times in here, not sure why there is all the antagonism, congratulations Brexiters you have won, now you have to get on with delivering what has been promised to the British people in order to achieve that victory.

TrickyTree83

Conrad wrote: »

I'm not going to play along with this old chestnut, James O'Brien's fave tactic on LBC, which he thinks is a 'gotcha question' as he cannot debate properly.


If you guys wish to think we have not endured a raft of law from Brussels, hey ho, enjoy the moonshine matey.


Why are you so afraid of autonomy and independence, does change scare you, cant we cope with responsibility? Never mind, get Momma to make you a nice warm dwink to calm your poor nerves.

Why don't you point him/her to the common customs tariff (https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/calculation-customs-duties/what-is-common-customs-tariff_en)

Or the tampon tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampon_tax)

Or the common fisheries policy (https://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/cfp_en)

Or the common agricultural policy (https://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/cap-overview_en)

Just off the top of my head.

I could go looking for more to make them and James O'Brien look like the berks they consistently make themselves out to be but I think the above will do for the moment. They can chew the cud over these. No doubt we'll get the "tampon tax has stopped", after how many years?

Where the CFP works for some EU members (Spain) it doesn't for others, where the CAP works for some EU members (France) it doesn't for others, where the CCT works for some EU members (Italy) it doesn't for others. Yet they are all enforceable by law, maybe not under a singular law but certainly under a plethora of laws concocted by the EU.

Edit: On the topic of James O'Brien, I'm sure they filter the callers to find the most inept person they can find who opposes the point James wants to make so that he can show them up on air. If he had a chat with anyone who has a bit about them he'd get ideologically murdered live on air, and they can't be having that can they.

Filo25

Tromking wrote: »

I'm not here to write for Conrad, but I'm not sure he suggested that the EU has over ruled the UK Parliament.
For many the simple act of bringing all our elected law makers into one single 'local' parliament was quite a big deal.
On the flipside of that argument it is only right to acknowledge that some people had no problem and still don't with a cohort of unelected EU Commissioners making usually benign laws on our behalf in Brussels and Strasbourg.

Where does the move towards more local government end though, why should it just be at UK level, maybe I think my local important parliament should just be for London, if the last year has made anything clear it is that London is pretty different to the rest of the UK on a lot of issues, if you asked my wife she would vote for an independent city state of London tomorrow.

I do "get" the sovereignty argument and I also understand the immigration argument, but if Brexit doesn't deliver on the economy, we'll see how big the mandate for Brexit from public opinion looks then.

mrginge

Filo25 wrote: »

We'll all get to see in a few years anyway, as people have repeated many times in here, not sure why there is all the antagonism, congratulations Brexiters you have won, now you have to get on with delivering what has been promised to the British people in order to achieve that victory.

We all need to get on with it, regardless of how people voted.

mayonnaise

Filo25 wrote: »

We'll all get to see in a few years anyway, as people have repeated many times in here, not sure why there is all the antagonism, congratulations Brexiters you have won, now you have to get on with delivering what has been promised to the British people in order to achieve that victory.

mrginge wrote: »

We all need to get on with it, regardless of how people voted.

Not sure how I need to get on with delivering what has been promised to the British people by the Brexiteers.
Please elaborate.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Labour says the Brexit deal must provide the exact same benefits as the SM and CU provide now.


Is this not another gift to the EU negotiators, knowing full well failure to meet Labours tests will result in Labour not voting to support the deal?


I do wish Starmer would actually contribute something positive for once, what a wimpy little snake he is, desperate to keep us in.

It would seem that the Tories have a Brexit majority of about 50 - so it doesn't really matter what Labour do. Also, Len McCluskey has given JC 15 months to turn the poll around.

setmefree2

There is an article by Michel Barnier in today's FT.

His conclusion

That partnership could be based on an ambitious free-trade agreement, provided that it ensures fair competition and guarantees high environmental, social and consumer protection standards. It could also include co-operation in several fields, especially in security and defence. The attacks in London last week tragically remind us of our common interest in the fight against terrorism.

My personal conviction has always been that the UK and the EU share common values and interests. This will not change.

https://www.ft.com/content/fd5ebab0-10b7-11e7-a88c-50ba212dce4d