If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

Britain is a founder member of the ECHR and most of the decisions you are angry about are due to the interpretation of British judiciary regarding the right to a family life.

I don't think anyone wants people like Abu Hamza here but this is nothing to do with the European Union. It is a good example however of how people like yourself will apparently blame British membership of the EU for things the EU has nothing to do with - and then have a nice shouty rant about liberals.

As far as a soft touch benefits enabling culture - again, what does this have to do with the EU? Maybe you are angry about Europeans coming here and working and paying taxes that fund idle Brits to sign on (though I think a few months trying to survive on benefits might open your mind - if such a thing is possible - even on that score).

A key reason I want full sovereignty and accountability is so the people know where the buck stops for OUR poor 'progressive' soft touch decisions.

Until now our Govts and those they appoint could blame Brussels too easily.


Plus because we're such a snowflake soft touch, FOM is an enabler for masses of spongers (I see it daily, don't hit me with studies done By naïve wet behind the ears students at the LSE)


I'm well aware our soft touch mentality is of our own making, but by being out of the EU I think local accountability will be enhanced as there will be no one else to hide behind

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

Well he should know. He shut down the British plants and outsourced all his manufacturing to Malaysia - ensuring that every Dyson he sells in the UK now has to be imported from outside the EU.

I'm not sure that's exactly what Brexit voters want though.

Typical Remoaner filtering out the other good news in his post.


What do you make of the FTSE 250 investors weather gauge being at record and sustain highs? You know better than they presumably?


How about the new report showing Factory confidence at 22 year high and rising exports?


You presumably were never concerned with our trade deficit which Mervyn King says is our most urgent issue? You were happy importing Chinese knickers and the non-jobs this endows us with?


I wonder why Deutschbank are looking to take nice shiny new London HQ's? Lots of others such as UBS and Google doing the same. Germans want to merge with London Stock Exchange - but why if we face ruin as you lot keep insisting?

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

A key reason I want full sovereignty and accountability is so the people know where the buck stops for OUR poor 'progressive' soft touch decisions.


Until now our leaders could blame Brussels too easily.


Plus because we're such a snowflake soft touch, FOM is an enabler for masses of spongers (I see it daily, don't hit me with studies done By naïve wet behind the ears students at the LSE)




I'm well aware our soft touch mentality is of our own making, but by being out of the EU I think local accountability will be enhanced as there will be no one else to hide behind

So, just to get this straight. We have to leave the EU to stop people blaming things on the EU that the EU has nothing to do with?

Regarding benefits I think Germany has just put in train some kind of legislation that you have to be resident for 5 years before claiming. Presumably we could have done something similar.

Even if not, I am not convinced that Brexit voters cared much about benefits claimants. Most of the complaints seem to be about people feeling outcompeted for jobs and housing.

Fair enough, but immigration won't fall due to Brexit, so what is the point of it?

All Brexit is is risk and flag waving, from where I am standing anyway.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Arklight wrote: »

Well he should know. He shut down the British plants and outsourced all his manufacturing to Malaysia - ensuring that every Dyson he sells in the UK now has to be imported from outside the EU.

I'm not sure that's exactly what Brexit voters want though.

I'm no lover of Dyson as it happens but you're a bit behind the times as well as being a little economical with the reality of the Dyson business there:

The company, which employs 3,500 engineers and scientists, has also committed to a significant expansion in the UK by opening a new 517-acre campus near its base in Wiltshire.The campus is part of a £2.5bn investment into developing new battery technologies and robotics. The size of the campus and the company’s work on batteries, robotics and artificial intelligence, has increased speculation that Dyson is developing a driverless electric car,

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/27/dyson-plays-down-hard-brexit-concerns-as-company-posts-25bn-record-sales


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_(company)

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Typical Remoaner filtering out the other good news in his post.


What do you make of the FTSE 250 investors weather gauge being at record and sustain highs? You know better than they presumably?


How about the new report showing Factory confidence at 22 year high and rising exports?


You presumably were never concerned with our trade deficit which Mervyn King says is our most urgent issue? You were happy importing Chinese knickers and the non-jobs this endows us with?


I wonder why Deutschbank are looking to take nice shiny new London HQ's? Lots of others such as UBS and Google doing the same. Germans want to merge with London Stock Exchange - but why if we face ruin as you lot keep insisting?

Um, I'm not a "Remoaner" thanks. Although if one was looking for a good source of moaning you seem to have found a reliable source.

I voted against Brexit but accept that the vote didn't go my way and we will be leaving. I don't think there should be a second referendum, or Brexit should be voted down in Parliament, as long as we get the deal the Brexit camp promised.

We were told £350 million a week for the NHS, greatly increased availability to jobs, schools, health and housing for British citizens, a reduced benefits bill and a buoyant economy.

It's up to them / you to deliver that now, but the signs aren't very encouraging at the minute.

Honestly the Asset and Wealth Manager link went over my head. It keeps repeating over and over how asset and wealth managers are optimistic that the future looks great for asset and wealth managers. If there is some consequent benefit for me and other ordinary people than great. At the moment I am mostly cursing how much holiday money me and the family have lost for our trip to France next month.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

A key reason I want full sovereignty and accountability is so the people know where the buck stops for OUR poor 'progressive' soft touch decisions.

Until now our Govts and those they appoint could blame Brussels too easily.


Plus because we're such a snowflake soft touch, FOM is an enabler for masses of spongers (I see it daily, don't hit me with studies done By naïve wet behind the ears students at the LSE)


I'm well aware our soft touch mentality is of our own making, but by being out of the EU I think local accountability will be enhanced as there will be no one else to hide behind

Conrad, Could you please give me a list of examples of laws in which the EU has over ruled our Parliament?

Arklight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

I'm no lover of Dyson as it happens but you're a bit behind the times as well as being a little economical with the reality of the Dyson business there:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/27/dyson-plays-down-hard-brexit-concerns-as-company-posts-25bn-record-sales


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_(company)

I know that James Dyson is investing in the UK for research and development and that is definitely a very good thing. He's investing in highly skilled jobs and people, in Britain and I think we sorely need that. I hope Dyson remains in the UK as a British business and doesn't just end up being sold off to an American or Japanese multinational, like Cadburys or ARM, asset stripped and forgotten about.

You can't ignore the fact however that when it came to ordinary manufacturing jobs done by ordinary non PhD holding people making his vacuums, he decided to axe his entire British workforce in favour of Malaysians.

You might suspect therefore, that brilliant entrepreneur he might be, he may also not be entirely excited about Brexit because he thinks it will be great for the average Joe.

Conrad

Arklight wrote: »

Fair enough, but immigration won't fall due to Brexit, so what is the point of it?

Well immigration will fall, and if by too small an amount we can replace the govt.


As to what's the point of Brexit, well where do you want me to start, the opportunity is huge and very exciting, not to mention saving £3 bn club fee we pay every 10 days (edit - I meant weeks) (trade wont be hampered, so this saving is real and wont be wiped out by a fall in trade).


I think in time people will come to recognise what a terrific opportunity this is and then they will wonder what earth we were frightened of.


Remainers seem so hung-up on the SM without having explored properly the stats on it. It really adds next to nothing to our economy - plenty of nations have enjoyed very prosperous trade with the EU no problem. You have no issues buying Microsoft, Coke or Cannon.

Moby

Moby wrote: »

Conrad, Could you please give me a list of examples of laws in which the EU has over ruled our Parliament?

Bump............!

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Well immigration will fall, and if by too small an amount we can replace the govt.

Several government ministers have already stated immigration will not fall significantly (as they know full well it would be economically ruinous).
And you're going to replace the govt with what? A Labour/Libdem coalition? :rotfl:
Or were you daydreaming again and prophesying a UKIP parliamentary majority?

Conrad wrote: »

As to what's the point of Brexit, well where do you want me to start, the opportunity is huge and very exciting, not to mention saving £3 bn club fee we pay every 10 days (trade wont be hampered, so this saving is real and wont be wiped out by a fall in trade).

Jeez. As if the 350 million a week claim wasn't a big enough lie, it just got upgraded to 3 billion every 10 days.