If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

They answered the questions that they were asked, which were by and large about the UK as a whole, not their view on regions of the UK. I doubt that many of the respondents are as hung up on house prices in London in the way that this particular corner of the web is.

In terms of what I think should happen, I have said before that I think that there should be more house building and that it should be made more difficult for people to buy places in London to leave them empty. I don't see that as an in/out EU issue though. Say we pull out of the EU and a lot of London jobs go to Frankfurt, how will that be better for under 40s, who may have cheaper houses but also fewer well paid jobs? Or say London manages to hang on as the global financial centre in an opted out UK, how will that benefit under 40s, if the houses are still expensive? I just don't see a direct correlation between the two, tbh, I think the issue is much more complex.

Whether or not a mid 30 couple, in decent employment, can afford a modest family home in London and have the option of starting a family, seem a major issue to me. Yes , it is well worth the lose of a few well paid jobs as that would also mean fewer working competing for them. What exactly is the purpose of having a 'well' paid job if you can't actual buy a modest home that would have been available to a school teacher/nurse/utility worker 30 years ago. You may be 'better paid' but you are actually much worse off.
If a million people and a million jobs leave London and the SE people there will be massively better off.

antrobus

angrypirate wrote: »

In the event of a leave vote, we wont leave the EU the day after the referendum. There will be years of negotiating before we exit the EU. And one of that will be some a trade agreement. Most of the countries in the EU have a trade surplus with us. With the EU economy already having been declining over the last few years, would the EU really "cut off their nose to spite their face" and risk further years of a declining economy?

Absolutely.

Those EU fellows are such p ussy cats when it comes to making deals. Look at the way that they are all falling over themselves as they try and give Cameron exactly what he wants.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

on the economy and not discussed atall in the 'thorough ' report : how do high house prices help Londoners under 40? In what way is the inability to buy a 'family' house and start a family a 'benefit' : what value would you put on that 'benefit' : I would say a negative £30,000 per person a year at least : what's your view?

How do you calculate the £30,000? Why that number rather than £40,000 or £50,000?

If I was a more cynical man I'd say you were making up a large number for the hell of it. £30,000 a year is over £25,000,000,000 in total each and every year. Where does that benefit go do you think or does it simply disappear?

thequant

CLAPTON wrote: »

on the economy and not discussed atall in the 'thorough ' report : how do high house prices help Londoners under 40? In what way is the inability to buy a 'family' house and start a family a 'benefit' : what value would you put on that 'benefit' : I would say a negative £30,000 per person a year at least : what's your view?

I think there is something Darwinian about high London prices, it means those higher earners, which are usually the most intelligent of our species are able to breed at an earlier age and thus produce more children. Which will lead to an overall enhancement of our gene pool.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

How do you calculate the £30,000? Why that number rather than £40,000 or £50,000?

If I was a more cynical man I'd say you were making up a large number for the hell of it. £30,000 a year is over £25,000,000,000 in total each and every year. Where does that benefit go do you think or does it simply disappear?

if you were a more knowledgeable person you would know the GDP is a false measure of real income and quality of life.
the impact of immigration in the current numbers has led to a lower standard of living of the native people than previously experienced
unfortunately we don't have a more appropriate measure of quality of life but that doesn't change the reality.

CLAPTON

thequant wrote: »

I think there is something Darwinian about high London prices, it means those higher earners, which are usually the most intelligent of our species are able to breed at an earlier age and thus produce more children. Which will lead to an overall enhancement of our gene pool.

I don't see the purpose of life as an 'improvement ' in the gene pool.

in any event, it is arguable that the main darwinian winners are the underclass who are subsidised to live in the capital

angrypirate

antrobus wrote: »

Absolutely.

Those EU fellows are such p ussy cats when it comes to making deals. Look at the way that they are all falling over themselves as they try and give Cameron exactly what he wants.

Just to put figures on the trade the EU will lose if there is no trade deal with the UK post Brexit

CLAPTON

angrypirate wrote: »

Just to put figures on the trade the EU will lose if there is no trade deal with the UK post Brexit

it is of course, inconceivable that there will be no trade deal

antrobus

angrypirate wrote: »

Just to put figures on the trade the EU will lose if there is no trade deal with the UK post Brexit

Why would the EU lose anything? What exactly do you expect a post-Brexit UK to do that would interfere with trade?

Remember, you have already told us that "WTO membership ensures that the EU is not allowed to be discriminatory against the UK with regards to unreasonable constraints and trade barriers". I hope you understand that works both ways.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

it is of course, inconceivable that there will be no trade deal

And what would (hypothetically) in that deal, would be a matter of negotiations.

Both sides might, for example, agree that EU type approval regulations for motor vehicles would continue to apply, and that the rate of customs duty for motor vehicles would be 0%. There you go, that's motor vehicles dealt with; now on to pharmaceuticals and the rest.