If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

NATO is mentioned quite a lot, especially in the paper about other countries and their views.

Don't recall seeing anything on high house prices in London and SE, or under 40s living there.

which one of the three mentioned NATO a lot?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

You could always have a look and find it yourself.
Alternatively you could read vivatifosi's post.

one could do that but then again one could answer the question

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

one could do that but then again one could answer the question

Here you go https://dgap.org/en/article/getFullPDF/25763
No, I don't excpect you to read it.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Here you go https://dgap.org/en/article/getFullPDF/25763
No, I don't excpect you to read it.

nice if the document could be quickly updated with these countries CURRENT view of the unlimited free movement of people

vivatifosi

CLAPTON wrote: »

nice if the document could be quickly updated with these countries CURRENT view of the unlimited free movement of people

I did say that it was written in 2014. I'd like to see the info updated too, but it is a thorough report and that's when it was written.

The danger is that this becomes a single issue election, which will be a great shame. I do understand that the refugee crisis is a huge issue in Europe at the moment and do not seek to underplay it, but it shouldn't be the only factor that we make our minds up on. The impact on the economy will be the deciding factor for me.

From the other side of the channel, with both the refugee crisis in full flow and the Eurozone crisis still playing in the background, I think if the question was to be asked of the countries again, Brexit would be seen as more of a side-show and less of the most important issue in town.

Thrugelmir

vivatifosi wrote: »

The danger is that this becomes a single issue election, which will be a great shame. I do understand that the refugee crisis is a huge issue in Europe at the moment and do not seek to underplay it, but it shouldn't be the only factor that we make our minds up on.

The refugee crisis is far far from over. This may well change the influence the landscape in Europe well before any UK election is held. Germany is beginning to feel like many do in the UK I suspect. .

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

I did say that it was written in 2014. I'd like to see the info updated too, but it is a thorough report and that's when it was written.

The danger is that this becomes a single issue election, which will be a great shame. I do understand that the refugee crisis is a huge issue in Europe at the moment and do not seek to underplay it, but it shouldn't be the only factor that we make our minds up on. The impact on the economy will be the deciding factor for me.

From the other side of the channel, with both the refugee crisis in full flow and the Eurozone crisis still playing in the background, I think if the question was to be asked of the countries again, Brexit would be seen as more of a side-show and less of the most important issue in town.

on the economy and not discussed atall in the 'thorough ' report : how do high house prices help Londoners under 40? In what way is the inability to buy a 'family' house and start a family a 'benefit' : what value would you put on that 'benefit' : I would say a negative £30,000 per person a year at least : what's your view?

vivatifosi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The refugee crisis is far far from over. This may well change the influence the landscape in Europe well before any UK election is held. Germany is beginning to feel like many do in the UK I suspect. .

I completely agree, hence my point that we are a sideshow at the moment. However we are still going to see the refugee crisis whether we are in or out of the EU, just as it is an issue in Switzerland and Norway. If anything, we have been remarkably unaffected by it so far (by comparison to our neighbours), but that has more to do with the channel than politics.

vivatifosi

CLAPTON wrote: »

on the economy and not discussed atall in the 'thorough ' report : how do high house prices help Londoners under 40? In what way is the inability to buy a 'family' house and start a family a 'benefit' : what value would you put on that 'benefit' : I would say a negative £30,000 per person a year at least : what's your view?

They answered the questions that they were asked, which were by and large about the UK as a whole, not their view on regions of the UK. I doubt that many of the respondents are as hung up on house prices in London in the way that this particular corner of the web is.

In terms of what I think should happen, I have said before that I think that there should be more house building and that it should be made more difficult for people to buy places in London to leave them empty. I don't see that as an in/out EU issue though. Say we pull out of the EU and a lot of London jobs go to Frankfurt, how will that be better for under 40s, who may have cheaper houses but also fewer well paid jobs? Or say London manages to hang on as the global financial centre in an opted out UK, how will that benefit under 40s, if the houses are still expensive? I just don't see a direct correlation between the two, tbh, I think the issue is much more complex.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

They answered the questions that they were asked, which were by and large about the UK as a whole, not their view on regions of the UK. I doubt that many of the respondents are as hung up on house prices in London in the way that this particular corner of the web is.

In terms of what I think should happen, I have said before that I think that there should be more house building and that it should be made more difficult for people to buy places in London to leave them empty. I don't see that as an in/out EU issue though. Say we pull out of the EU and a lot of London jobs go to Frankfurt, how will that be better for under 40s, who may have cheaper houses but also fewer well paid jobs? Or say London manages to hang on as the global financial centre in an opted out UK, how will that benefit under 40s, if the houses are still expensive? I just don't see a direct correlation between the two, tbh, I think the issue is much more complex.

There are some who think a Brexit will solve ALL problems.