If we vote for Brexit what happens

vivatifosi

I'm just watching Theresa May speak to Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party. She made an interesting and provocative comment: `While the SNP propose that decision-making should remain in Brussels, we will use the opportunity of Brexit to ensure that more decisions are devolved back into the hands of the Scottish people."

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4275724/Gina-Miller-threatens-legal-challenge-Brexit.html#ixzz4aFzinmdh

The 27 would have every incentive to over a poorer deal if they know Parliament might vote against it, and by then Miller hopes the mood might have changed or something and we would end up remaining.


Also can you imagine the response of the 27 if they negotiated over months in good faith only for their final offer to be thrown back in their face and asked to do it all over again?


As I've mentioned when she was an LBC guest it emerged her ultimate goal is to reverse Brexit, but now she denies this.

Conrad

davomcdave wrote: »

This goes to the heart of the trade debate. If the UK doesn't buy the lamb and it continues to be exported to the EU then what are the Brits going to eat instead? Britain produces some excellent lamb but it tends to be expensive and exported to France and Spain where they are prepared to pay a premium for a better product. Brits are generally happy to buy less flavoursome, frozen lamb.

Who loses out in this situation? I argue that it's both the EU and UK. So Brexit makes Britain and the EU worse off. In a rational world the EU and UK would agree free trade in lamb so the situation can be resolved however the UK doesn't want free trade under the terms the EU demands so no free trade and everyone ends up poorer. Congratulations.

BBC Countryfile did a show from NZ and looked at the impacts of Britain dropping NZ lamb like a stone when we voted into the 'EU'. The Farmers all agreed they soon adapted and all was well.


People and systems adapt, I do wish you lot weren't so easily spooked about everything. We are always hearing of the plight of British hill farmers, this could be an opportunity.
We have much higher animal husbandry standards than NZ, so once again if we pay a little more to support one another and good farming standards, this is good news (we care about the 'left behinds' don't we?). We have an obesity epidemic, surely part of the overall picture ought to be eating a little less rather than whinging about a modest price rise (not that I believe prices will rise anyway)


Remainers constantly see insurmountable problems instead of opportunities and welcome change

mayonnaise

vivatifosi wrote: »

I'm just watching Theresa May speak to Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party. She made an interesting and provocative comment: `While the SNP propose that decision-making should remain in Brussels, we will use the opportunity of Brexit to ensure that more decisions are devolved back into the hands of the Scottish people."

She also said:

"A tunnel-vision nationalism, which focuses only on independence at any cost, sells Scotland short.”

While pursuing her own tunnel-vision nationalism, which focuses only on brexit at any cost.

mrginge

davomcdave wrote: »

Who loses out in this situation? I argue that it's both the EU and UK. So Brexit makes Britain and the EU worse off. In a rational world the EU and UK would agree free trade in lamb so the situation can be resolved however the UK doesn't want free trade under the terms the EU demands so no free trade and everyone ends up poorer. Congratulations.

I agree entirely with your view that the demands of the EU are incompatible with the mutually beneficial position of free trade.

Lets hope more people start to put pressure on the EU to drop their protectionist stance.

mayonnaise

Some good news from the Eurozone.

German Service sector growth strengthens in February
https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=645022

French Service sector business activity surges in February
https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=645020

Italian Service sector sees strongest activity growth for 14 months
https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=645017

Meanwhile...

UK Service sector growth eases to five-month low in February
https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=645031

Oh well.

Ballard

Thank goodness that the service sector isn't the largest sector in the U.K. It'd be worrying if that were the case.

Conrad

Pertinent to Brexit;






03/03/2017

Labour have lost Kersal in Salford to the Tories. It was a Labour seat for decades and has gone blue despite Rebecca Long-Bailey’s best efforts to get out the vote yesterday. Results via Britain Elects:


CON: 42.0%

LAB: 27.3%

IND: 17.5%

UKIP: 9.0%

GRN: 2.4%

LDEM: 1.9%

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Pertinent to Brexit;

Is it?
Is the LDEM gain from Con in Kettering on 23/02 pertinent to brexit?
Is the LDEM gain from Con in South Hams on 23/02 pertinent to brexit?
Is the LAB gain from CON in Basingstoke & Deane on 21/02 pertinent to brexit ?
Is your desperate cherry picking pertinent to brexit?

http://britainelects.com/results/council-by-elections/

Herzlos

vivatifosi wrote: »

I'm just watching Theresa May speak to Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party. She made an interesting and provocative comment: `While the SNP propose that decision-making should remain in Brussels, we will use the opportunity of Brexit to ensure that more decisions are devolved back into the hands of the Scottish people."

Yeah, shame the SNP said propose no such thing. They just want to be able to make decisions that affect them that Westminster could let them do, but refused.