If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Are these White Christian lambs and goats?
If so, I know a good source.

Whereas being a lover of lamb of almost any type whatever, I know a good sauce.

gfplux, I'm sure there are many such considerations besides NZ lamb (which I have posted about before, BTW).

CKhalvashi

mayonnaise wrote: »

Are these White Christian lambs and goats?
If so, I know a good source.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Outlining his thinking in a pre-Budget speech, Mr McDonnell urged the chancellor to "reverse the £70bn giveaway to the super-rich and giant corporations between now and 2021".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39139432

Well, at least we know where the £350m a week is going, while the 'just managing' will be the 'barely surviving'. We get to pick on the poor, disabled and elderly, while funding the lifestyles of the super rich.

Typical Tory government at work, nasty, elitist and completely out of touch!

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Typical Tory government at work, nasty, elitist and completely out of touch!

Although as far as the subject of this thread is concerned, completely 'in touch' with majority of the British people.

davomcdave

gfplux wrote: »

Fascinating information today from politico.eu about New Zealand Lamb.

" Britain’s love of lamb chops will cause yet another Brexit headache. The U.K. eats almost half of the EU’s quota of lamb and goat meat from New Zealand and after it leaves the bloc, Brussels will either have to take in that meat — and annoy its farmers — or try to avoid doing so and face WTO sanctions"

Is this true? I had absolutely no idea that there was an EU quota of New Zealand lamb and goat meat.
Any New Zealan Lamb and Goat meat specialist on this thread?

This goes to the heart of the trade debate. If the UK doesn't buy the lamb and it continues to be exported to the EU then what are the Brits going to eat instead? Britain produces some excellent lamb but it tends to be expensive and exported to France and Spain where they are prepared to pay a premium for a better product. Brits are generally happy to buy less flavoursome, frozen lamb.

Who loses out in this situation? I argue that it's both the EU and UK. So Brexit makes Britain and the EU worse off. In a rational world the EU and UK would agree free trade in lamb so the situation can be resolved however the UK doesn't want free trade under the terms the EU demands so no free trade and everyone ends up poorer. Congratulations.

mystic_trev

British taxpayers will help to fund a “private army” to protect MEPs as part of a record €2 billion (£1.7 billion) spending spree by the European parliament next year.

Estimates seen by The Times showed the parliament’s budget rising to €1,971,883,373, an above-inflation increase of 3.3 per cent, as MEPs rush to beat cuts that are expected after Brexit.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/taxpayers-must-fund-brussels-private-army-vq6dwskwj

vivatifosi

Putting this here as no point in starting a separate thread. Tiny EEA/EFTA member Liechtenstein went to polls last month, although status quo retained, also saw a rise in populists:

http://www.politico.eu/article/liechtensteins-populists-gain-ground/

Posted here as although not EU or a major economy, it is experiencing the same populist revolt that is sweeping the rest of Europe.

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

Is this true? I had absolutely no idea that there was an EU quota of New Zealand lamb and goat meat.
Any New Zealan Lamb and Goat meat specialist on this thread?

New Zealand has no FTA with the EU. Therefore, they trade with the EU under the WTO. A WTO schedule is comprised both of tariffs and quotas. Part of the Brexit negotiations will be agreeing what proportion of EU quotas the Uk will get.

However, The UK will sign a quick FTA with NZ.

UK to begin talks with New Zealand on post-Brexit trade deal

After meeting New Zealand PM at Downing Street, Theresa May says she hopes deal can be reached in ‘reasonable space of time’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/13/uk-to-begin-talks-with-new-zealand-on-post-brexit-trade-deal

FYI FTAs also include stuff on quotas as well as tariffs.

setmefree2

davomcdave wrote: »

This goes to the heart of the trade debate. If the UK doesn't buy the lamb and it continues to be exported to the EU then what are the Brits going to eat instead? Britain produces some excellent lamb but it tends to be expensive and exported to France and Spain where they are prepared to pay a premium for a better product. Brits are generally happy to buy less flavoursome, frozen lamb.

Who loses out in this situation? I argue that it's both the EU and UK. So Brexit makes Britain and the EU worse off. In a rational world the EU and UK would agree free trade in lamb so the situation can be resolved however the UK doesn't want free trade under the terms the EU demands so no free trade and everyone ends up poorer. Congratulations.

??????

When the UK leaves the EU a proportion of the EU quota for lamb will be given to the UK. So we will continue to be able to import NZ lamb.

Furthermore, we will then be able to negotiate our own FTA with NZ and import more NZ lamb if we wish.

setmefree2

FWIW the EU hasn't been using its lamb quota. So I can't see them trying to hang on to it.

Sharp rise in New Zealand EU sheep meat quota usage last year

Friday, January 22nd, 2016
New Zealand utilisation of its sheep meat quota with the EU last year increased sharply – up by eight percentage points to 76 per cent.
This is the highest figure since 2011, although it remained well below that of the previous decade when New Zealand filled or almost filled its quota. This rise reflects some increase in export availability and lower demand on the Chinese market. There has been some switch back into its traditional markets, led by the UK.
In contrast, Australia again filled its much smaller quota. While Australia’s global lamb exports are only 20 per cent lower than those of New Zealand, its quota allocation to the EU is only a fraction of that of New Zealand. Both Uruguay and Chile only filled around one third of their quotas, a proportion which is well down on the previous year. Argentina only used a fraction of its quota, the lowest figure for many years. Consequently, given the increase for New Zealand last year, the proportion of the total EU quota allocated increased to 70 per cent, well up on the previous year’s low of 64 per cent.

http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/market-intelligence-news/sharp-rise-in-new-zealand-eu-sheep-meat-quota-usage-last-year/

setmefree2

Now Gina Miller threatens ANOTHER legal challenge unless the PM guarantees a 'meaningful' vote on the final Brexit deal

The House of Lords could inflict a second defeat on Mrs May over the Brexit Bill on Monday by re-writing the draft law to demand a meaningful vote on the final deal.
If the amendment either fails or is defeated by MPs, Mrs Miller warned it could prompt a new legal challenge.
She told the Independent: 'Would it not be easier for the Government to accept the amendment for a vote at the end of the negotiations in 18 months' time now, rather than facing legal challenges in 18 months' time?
'The Government tried to ignore the law once before, doing it twice would be incredibly careless.'
In a separate interview with BBC Radio 5 Live Daily she said: 'It is my money and my decision and my actions, and I can't think of anything better to do with the success I have.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4275724/Gina-Miller-threatens-legal-challenge-Brexit.html#ixzz4aFzinmdh