If we vote for Brexit what happens

davomcdave

cogito wrote: »

'Mainly' being the operative word. There are numerous examples of Private Members Bills becoming law, something that would never happen in the EU. So the UK parliament does in fact legislate.

Only with Government support. Without Government support any Private Members Bill can simply be talked out.

davomcdave

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

It means nothing. It all goes back to the Commons now where it would have gone anyway where they can accept or reject what the Lords want and then run it all through. They'll just ignore them.

I'm not sure that the Commons can force A50 through under the Parliament Acts because withdrawing from the EU was never in the Tory's manifesto, only holding a non-binding referendum was.

Ultimately A50 will be triggered because the Queen (PM) can simply make 1,000 Brexit supporters Lords and force whatever she wants through the upper house. Alternatively May can get her own MPs to stage a vote of no confidence and stand on A50 at the ensuing General Election.

Andy_L

davomcdave wrote: »

I'm not sure that the Commons can force A50 through under the Parliament Acts because withdrawing from the EU was never in the Tory's manifesto, only holding a non-binding referendum was.

I think "not being in the manifesto" just means that the Salisbury Convention doesn't come into play and thus the Lords are free to oppose it all the way. However, ultimately, the Lords cannot stop a bill, only delay it until its 3rd (?) reading

davomcdave

Andy_L wrote: »

I think "not being in the manifesto" just means that the Salisbury Convention doesn't come into play and thus the Lords are free to oppose it all the way. However, ultimately, the Lords cannot stop a bill, only delay it until its 3rd (?) reading

Is that the case? I did study a year of constitution at uni but I don't remember going into that much detail.

Do you mean 3rd reading or third time it's sent up? Those are different things. Every Bill that becomes an Act gets a third reading.

TBH the main thing this brings back is how long ago it was I studied the British Constitution!

setmefree2

Originally Posted by wotsthat
UK parliament doesn't legislate either. They vote on legislation proposed (mainly) by the government.

You are missing the point. The UK government is made up of MPs who are all elected to create legislation. The European commission is made up of commissioners who are not elected and are accountable to know one.

Conrad

I would think the EU 27 would see Mays capitulation to give unilateral assurances would be seen as a weakness.


This would set a president in their minds that if the EU 27 dig their heals in (as they are over refusing to discuss migrant rights) then they can rely on the Lords and other Remoaner cabals to help the EU do their bidding in further deal making.


What will the public say if in 12 months time the rights of UK citizens have not been agreed? I think many will say May was reckless and weak for allowing herself and thus British citizens abroad to become so exposed.

setmefree2

davomcdave wrote: »

Ultimately A50 will be triggered because the Queen (PM) can simply make 1,000 Brexit supporters

Looking at the figures she would probably need to only create 100.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

I would think the EU 27 would see Mays capitulation to give unilateral assurances would be seen as a weakness.


This would set a president in their minds that if the EU 27 dig their heals in (as they are over refusing to discuss migrant rights) then they can rely on the Lords and other Remoaner cabals to help the EU do their bidding in further deal making.


What will the public say if in 12 months time the rights of UK citizens have not been agreed? I think many will say May was reckless and weak for allowing herself and thus British citizens abroad to become so exposed.

I genuinely don't understand why the Lords don't care about Brits abroad??? Also they are just delaying the triggering of Article 50 - so they are actually helping nobody.

setmefree2

davomcdave wrote: »

I'm not sure that the Commons can force A50 through under the Parliament Acts because withdrawing from the EU was never in the Tory's manifesto, only holding a non-binding referendum was.

The HoL can delay legislation for up to a year. At the moment people/we are relying on assurances from the leader of the HoL Baroness Evans that they won't do this with the Article 50 bill. Clearly, people like Mandelson want the HoL to do exactly that. Which is why the last week has seen a rerun of Project Fear.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

I would think the EU 27 would see Mays capitulation to give unilateral assurances would be seen as a weakness.

I'd take it as a sign of strength and moral high ground. She's confident enough in the deal to agree to it outright, and leave the EU either catching up or looking bad. She can then cut off weeks of negotiation that's only going to make her look bad.

Plus, we need the EU citizens that are already here, so she wouldn't be stupid enough to let them feel any more unwelcome than they already are.