If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Problem is that the EU Parliament has very limited powers. It's the EU Commission which calls the shots.

Then the divide will be apparent for all to see. When the Commission breaks into factions.

The_Last_Username

cogito wrote: »

Problem is that the EU Parliament has very limited powers. It's the EU Commission which calls the shots.

It's not that simple - and is IMHO a prime example of the EU's love of bureaucracy.
The EU Commission initiates the legislation but the EU Parliament are the ones who:

scrutinise, amend and vote on legislation.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-explained/brexit-explained-eu%E2%80%99s-role-brexit-negotiations
Have a peek at the link which explains how the EU will handle Brexit.
It includes this:

In theory, the European Parliament’s role in the negotiations process is fairly limited. Article 218 states that the Parliament must be kept ‘immediately and fully informed at all stages of the [negotiations] procedure’, but it does not give the Parliament a role in deciding the substance of the negotiations. However, the Parliament must pass the final agreement by a simple majority vote. This ability to reject the withdrawal agreement means that, in reality, the Parliament is likely to wield significant power over the content of the agreement and the negotiations itself. No majority in the European Parliament = no withdrawal agreement.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Should we discuss democracy again?
*yawn*

It seems we need to. Remind me what the question was on June 23rd?

IMO democracy requires we now leave the EU. That's it.

You, I think, may have voted to leave the EU? That doesn't mean your version of what brexit means trumps mine.

If you don't like what brexit ends up being then you need to exercise your democratic power and vote for a government that will deliver what you want.

cogito

The Last Username.

You are correct in that the EU parliament can scrutinise, amend and vote on legislation. Crucially, one thing that they cannot do is to propose legislation.

A parliament that cannot legislate. How democratic is that?

wotsthat

cogito wrote: »

A parliament that cannot legislate. How democratic is that?

UK parliament doesn't legislate either. They vote on legislation proposed (mainly) by the government.

cogito

wotsthat wrote: »

UK parliament doesn't legislate either. They vote on legislation proposed (mainly) by the government.

'Mainly' being the operative word. There are numerous examples of Private Members Bills becoming law, something that would never happen in the EU. So the UK parliament does in fact legislate.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-reduce-single-market-european-commisssion-white-paper-brexit-jean-claude-juncker-president-a7605506.html

The speech may have been leaked or distributed (as they often are) to journalist a few hours before but you give the impression that this is a secret.
It was a speech/white paper put together and then presented to the EU parliament yesterday. A full transcript is widely available on the net.

gfplux

I am very happy about the Lords vote yesterday (given my personal circumstances) Such a show of good faith to the EU can only be seen as a good neighbour gesture and I am sure will result in this particular issue being resolved very early in the negotiations.

My only worry is that some commentators have suggested overnight that this could delay triggering A50.
All I can say is
For Gxxxs sake get on with it women!

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

gfplux wrote: »

I am very happy about the Lords vote yesterday (given my personal circumstances) Such a show of good faith to the EU can only be seen as a good neighbour gesture and I am sure will result in this particular issue being resolved very early in the negotiations.

My only worry is that some commentators have suggested overnight that this could delay triggering A50.
All I can say is
For Gxxxs sake get on with it women!

It means nothing. It all goes back to the Commons now where it would have gone anyway where they can accept or reject what the Lords want and then run it all through. They'll just ignore them.

kabayiri

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

It means nothing. It all goes back to the Commons now where it would have gone anyway where they can accept or reject what the Lords want and then run it all through. They'll just ignore them.

Of course this is true.

In the greater scheme of things it means nothing.

A50 would be triggered in a matter of weeks, at which point they could decide on where in the agenda residency rights sit.

Let's leave the negotiations to the negotiators.