If we vote for Brexit what happens

antrobus

mollycat wrote: »

Sturgeon can't "set the date".

Don't spoil the party. The Shakes has a number of cunning plans afoot all ready to roll. One of 'em is bound to work.:)

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

Don't spoil the party. The Shakes has a number of cunning plans afoot all ready to roll. One of 'em is bound to work.:)

Sturgeon will call it, then set the date. Absolutely nothing May can do to stop her doing so. May then has a big decision to make.

Senior Tory sources have argued that blocking another referendum would provoke a massive public backlash in Scotland that could drive up support for separation

We'll see how it pans out. *goes back to Scotland thread*

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sturgeon will call it, then set the date. Absolutely nothing May can do to stop her doing so. May then has a big decision to make. .

We'll see how it pans out. *goes back to Scotland thread*

The Supreme Court might say no. An Act of Parliament would stop it. I believe that even the SNP is obliged to act in accordance with the law.:)

Anyway I was making fun of your 'cunning plans'. As in your 'nuclear option' of a Holyrood dissolution with the SNP and Greens all then standing for re-election seeking a mandate for independence in a defacto referendum. Such a shame that the SNP lack the necessary two-thirds majority in the Scottish Parliament to actually do so.

Or your other 'cunning plan' that involved all 56 Scottish MPs resigning in order to do the same thing. Such a shame that you need the House of Commons to actually pass the necessary writs for the by-elections to be held. Perhaps the HoC might have a think about it and not necessarily do what the SNP wants.

But off to the Scotland thread you go.






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Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

The Supreme Court might say no. An Act of Parliament would stop it. I believe that even the SNP is obliged to act in accordance with the law.:)

Anyway I was making fun of your 'cunning plans'. As in your 'nuclear option' of a Holyrood dissolution with the SNP and Greens all then standing for re-election seeking a mandate for independence in a defacto referendum. Such a shame that the SNP lack the necessary two-thirds majority in the Scottish Parliament to actually do so.

Or your other 'cunning plan' that involved all 56 Scottish MPs resigning in order to do the same thing. Such a shame that you need the House of Commons to actually pass the necessary writs for the by-elections to be held. Perhaps the HoC might have a think about it and not necessarily do what the SNP wants.

But off to the Scotland thread you go.

Hey, I was actually going to suggest you too take this to the Scotland thread instead of cluttering up a Brexit one with Scottish centric posts.

As for the rest of your post. Why, you'd think no country has ever left UK/Westminster governance before and gone independent. Scotland would be very far from the first to do so. You make the mistake of making this ALL about the SNP, rather than what the Scottish electorate want.

* Shall WE take this to the Scottish thread, or are you happier talking to yourself about Scotland in a Brexit one ?

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hey, I was actually going to suggest you too take this to the Scotland thread instead of cluttering up a Brexit one with Scottish centric posts.

As for the rest of your post. Why, you'd think no country has ever left UK/Westminster governance before and gone independent. Scotland would be very far from the first to do so. You make the mistake of making this ALL about the SNP, rather than what the Scottish electorate want.

* Shall WE take this to the Scottish thread, or are you happier talking to yourself about Scotland in a Brexit one ?

You appear to be comparing Scotland to a colony. Perhaps in your mind they are.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

You appear to be comparing Scotland to a colony. Perhaps in your mind they are.

Really ? Sorry no, not a colony. But when you have folks going on like the toothache about Westminster stopping votes and Supreme court judgements which would all take place outwith a Scotland that has elected a Scottish parliament that might wish to put a vote to the people, and only the people of Scotland ?

It's like saying Brussels should've had the right to stop the UK Brexit vote because EU law says... ie antrobus sadly is talking total tosh. If self-determination worked like that we'd still have the Berlin wall up.

An Act of Parliament would stop it. I believe that even the SNP is obliged to act in accordance with the law

Oh and Scotland has it's own completely different legal system too. Always has.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK, Ireland and Denmark deferred introduction of the system until this year. No doubt there was a reason for doing so. To suggest that the UK hasn't signed up. Is again factually incorrect.

I wonder what the reasons for not signing up were. Do you know? What month this year were they scheduled to sign up or was it just kicked down the road?

CKhalvashi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You are wrong again.
So I am sure you will forgive those of us who are amazed at your lack of knowledge regarding Boeing and their investment here in the UK.

From March 2016:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3497621/Boeing-s-Brexit-boost-World-s-largest-aircraft-maker-picks-Britain-home-new-European-headquarters.html

Then a little later last year:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-36763883

So, investing £1.8 billion plus these latest is investing "tiny amounts into the UK" is it?

That's not the figure quoted elsewhere.

If Boeing have 2000 employees already in the UK, then how is this their first operation?

Also, as per the link, the investment was decided pre-referendum. You've twisted it to be a positive sign of Brexit, where in reality that's not the case really, is it?

You moved the goalposts on this one, not me.

Even at that number, £1.8bn is 5 weeks [STRIKE]NHS[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]Brexiteers fantasy[/STRIKE] money that is paid into the EU, going on [STRIKE]Brexiteers fantasy figures[/STRIKE] the numbers that were once printed on a bus, and less than 0.136% of the total inward investment into the UK. Hardly a huge amount when put into perspective, is it?

Tromking wrote: »

Sorry CK you were citing the example of mainland Europe`s ID`s cards as a way the UK could control immigration.

Don't twist what I actually said for your own agenda

davomcdave

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Really ? Sorry no, not a colony. But when you have folks going on like the toothache about Westminster stopping votes and Supreme court judgements which would all take place outwith a Scotland that has elected a Scottish parliament that might wish to put a vote to the people, and only the people of Scotland ?

It's like saying Brussels should've had the right to stop the UK Brexit vote because EU law says... ie antrobus sadly is talking total tosh. If self-determination worked like that we'd still have the Berlin wall up.



Oh and Scotland has it's own completely different legal system too. Always has.

Scotland can no more decide to hold a referendum on independence than Pimlico.

The UK could decide hold a referendum as the UK is sovereign. Scotland is not sovereign and the Scottish Parliament, as the EU Parliament, has the powers granted to it. It's not very complicated.

The process would be:

1. Scottish Parliament calls a referendum
2. Someone takes the Scottish Government to court to say that it cannot pay for or call a referendum
3. Scottish Government loses
4. Scottish Government then either continues and faces contempt of court proceedings and probably MSPs and complicit civil servants and SPADs have assets seized to pay back the taxpayer for illegally used money or backs down. Oh and of course someone in contempt of court faces a very real risk of being sent to prison.

The whole thing is incredibly tedious and a massive waste of time and money. As a very bright woman, Sturgeon realises this but is ploughing ahead anyway, presumably in an attempt to manufacture a constitutional crisis at what she believes is a moment of weakness in the UK Government. I guess she sees parallels with the Easter Rising in Ireland in 1916 (at Easter funnily enough). I think she's wrong and will find out that the British courts are fine institutions that don't get distracted by short term messiness like Brexit.

gfplux

This should please many people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-latest-eu-national-right-to-live-uk-theresa-may-panic-a7602191.html

EU citizens living in the UK have expressed panic and confusion after it emerged new regulations brought in by the Government allow the Home Office to remove some of them from the country if they do not have a comprehensive sickness insurance (CSI).

A briefing published by a barrister revealed that the Home Office acquired controversial new enforcement powers against EU citizens from 1 February.

It warns EU citizens who are not considered to have a "right of residence", including some students and spouses of UK citizens, could be deported or refused entry back into the UK if they leave if they don't have CSI.