If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

ID cards have been discussed in some recent posts.
I hesitate a little in the following post on a board that have some posters with very strong feelings and I hope I am not leaving myself open to abuse.
So here goes....
While living in the U.K. I felt proud and admired the freedom of life in Britain. The fact that excentric behaviour was not abnormal. People were free to do and behave as they wished. I imagine most will understand what I am saying. Forgive any misunderstanding.
When I first lived outside the UK in another European country I found the rules and regulations, the regimentation all very strange. The fact that an identity card was required seemed a very strange concept to me.
Years later I now find that all this structure very comforting. That my ID card is my direct link into society. That my ID card has only been asked for by my Bank, my Doctor, the Chemist, the Hospital, the local tip, the Council office, the phone company, the gas supplier, the electricity supplier, the car dealer for a test drive etc. All the places where it makes the world work more efficiently and speedily (for me)
In 30 years I have never been asked to produce my ID to a policeman.
This " structure" makes sure that (mostly) the people who properly need something, get it.
So finally the kicker!!!!
I now believe that an efficient ID system can make society better for those who live in the "light" and much more difficult for those who live in the "shadows"
Nothing is perfect, but to me an imperfect regulated society is preferable to an imperfect UN regulated society.
Perhaps after Britain has left the EU the requirement for an ID system in Britain may appeal to the Government to more efficiently detect those who should not be living in the Country.

Given there are no borders with in the EU. What's the value of differing\non-existant requirements for ID cards within the zone.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given there are no borders with in the EU. What's the value of differing\non-existant requirements for ID cards within the zone.

Sorry not sure what your question is. Are you asking if there are different ID's in each EU Country, the answer is yes. However in addition many citizens have passports that allow trave outside the EU.
I am not sure if you are asking are the ID cards useful. They are very useful in my opinion and I tried to explain that in my post.

gfplux

Looks like non Brits will have to have some papers to show.
This from politico Sunday briefing
"— Brexit immigration plan emerges. The Sunday Times has the details, which Home Secretary Amber Rudd all but confirmed to Robert Peston. Her plan: New five-year work visas in key sectors of the economy, without any right to claim benefits, the paper reports. Theresa May will promise that all migrants resident in the U.K. on the date she triggers Article 50 will be protected if a deal can be agreed with the EU, says the Murdoch-owned weekly."

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given there are no borders with in the EU. What's the value of differing\non-existant requirements for ID cards within the zone.

I'm not sure what the question is either.

GF gets exactly what I mean though when I say the system works well on the mainland.

Tromking

CKhalvashi wrote: »

No one is suggesting that it's essential an ID card is carried at all times (I'm definitely not).......

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Yes, it does seem rather ridiculous that we could have solved the situation probably by having ID cards.

You seem conflicted CK if those two quotes are anything to go by.

CKhalvashi wrote: »

....but I am suggesting for international travel it's a good idea to be uniform. I choose to carry a DL with me at all times, largely so I know where it is. I also carry an EHIC card and bank cards with me at all times, all of which bear my name.

What like passports?

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Sorry not sure what your question is. Are you asking if there are different ID's in each EU Country, the answer is yes. However in addition many citizens have passports that allow trave outside the EU.
I am not sure if you are asking are the ID cards useful. They are very useful in my opinion and I tried to explain that in my post.

Your neighbours in France have no statutory requirement to hold an ID card. Given the population size of Luxembourg a far easier task to implement than in a major economy. Where data is spread across multiple computer data systems. As we are finding in the UK. Requirements imposed on the banks to provide visibility across different platforms for accounts. Is actually creating a situation of suppliers of current accounts are withdrawing from the market segment. As the cost of compliance is simply uneconomic to implement. So much for diversity and choice.

Shakethedisease

According to the Telegraph. FOM ends next month.

Theresa May poised to announce end of free movement for new EU migrants next month

Theresa May is next month poised to announce the end of free movement for new EU migrants on the same day that she formally triggers Brexit negotiations. The Prime Minister is expected to say that EU citizens who travel to Britain after she triggers Article 50 will no longer have the automatic right to stay in the UK permanently.
They will instead be subject to migration curbs after Britain leaves the European Union, which could include a new visa regime and restricted access to benefits.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/26/theresa-may-poised-announce-end-free-movement-new-eu-migrants/

Wonder if the EU will return the favour ?

CKhalvashi

Shakethedisease wrote: »

According to the Telegraph. FOM ends next month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/26/theresa-may-poised-announce-end-free-movement-new-eu-migrants/

Wonder if the EU will return the favour ?

I doubt she'll get that, as you can't deny an EU citizen the right to live in the UK under EU law.

I think the actual date of exit is a plan that is likely to go unchallenged, as long as one of the 4 residence freedoms are met. If not, then there's no right to remain in the UK now.

CKhalvashi

Tromking wrote: »

You seem conflicted CK if those two quotes are anything to go by.

No conflict there at all. It should be required to access some services, a glplux has explained in a lot more detail than I have.

What like passports?

A passport is not proof of residency, it's proof of citizenship.

Shakethedisease

CKhalvashi wrote: »

I doubt she'll get that, as you can't deny an EU citizen the right to live in the UK under EU law.

I think the actual date of exit is a plan that is likely to go unchallenged, as long as one of the 4 residence freedoms are met. If not, then there's no right to remain in the UK now.

Unchallenged or not. The Telegraph is reporting that triggering Article 50 will end FOM to the UK.

The announcement means that the "cut-off date" for EU migrants is likely to be around March 15, once the Government's Article 50 bill has gone through Parliament. The Prime Minister is expected to appeal to other European Union nations to reach a quick deal on the issue so it can be removed from Brexit negotiations as soon as possible.

In order to stop a 'surge'.

However ministers have raised concerns that waiting until the end of negotiations will lead to a huge surge in the number of EU migrants coming to the UK before Brexit.

We'll see I suppose whether this is just something the Telegraph is spinning or whether it really is trailing an a real announcement in the next week or so.