If we vote for Brexit what happens

LHW99

Second Reading passed: 498 votes to 114
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883

mayonnaise

LHW99 wrote: »

Second Reading passed: 498 votes to 114
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883

Good. Can we trigger art.50 now?
No need to wait till late March.

davomcdave

mayonnaise wrote: »

Good. Can we trigger art.50 now?
No need to wait till late March.

Nope. Now it goes forward for another debate in the Commons and, if passed, goes to the Lords.

Moby

So we are burning the bridges and following the loons into our utopian future.The increasingly manic, wild-eyed positivity from the Brexiteers on this point is becoming absurd. We’ll be ‘free’ to trade with the world, they insist, as Trump bellows ‘America First’ and insists that the Queen caddies for him before he’ll strike a deal. On the other side, we’re reduced to threatening Europe with becoming Singapore West.

Where, in all this, are the ‘ordinary people’ that Brexit was supposed to liberate? How will their security and prosperity improve when we’re shredding state spending and lowering high-end taxes to please Trump and to siphon business from Europe?:rotfl:

You Brexiteer numpties also need to remember there is no such thing as either a fair or unfair deal, the UK has decided to leave the EU, the EU has every right to do what ever the hell it wants, the UK has no right to anything at all, if the EU decides to bar every import or economic tie to the UK they have every right to do so.

If the EU decides to not sign any deal and the UK has to hard Brexit on WTO rules with no pass porting rights for finance with the subsequent loss of 25% of its GDP and goes into a major recession that's still the UK's fault. We now have years to watch this coming car crash in slo mo. Its far too early for the Brexiteers to be triumphalist. The phoney war is ending, the real one will now begin and don't think the colonies are going to save us....... It'll come as a shock to many of the colonel Blimp types......the British Empire is no more!

One feature of the empire was the ability to expand by force and colonise different parts of the world which we did probably more successfully than all of the other European colonialists. Everyone was racing off to kick the crap out of less developed countries and steal all of their resources........but guess what the exploitation option using slaves is no longer available. That is probably a tad of a shock for some of you I know.

You see the problem you have now is you can't kick the !!!! out of the former colonies. They're all big boys now and will negotiate pretty hard. Take India for example: compare India now to India in 1947?

It's a bit different really, isn't it?

Meanwhile some of the other reliables like New Zealand have been making their own way in the world since the 1970s and, it just so happens, making their way through trade with the EU. Fancy that?

For your economy to keep growing, (and that's all capitalism is about) you need space, people and resources. And post-Brexit we'll have less space, less people and less resources. So how will we manage it? Get out the fleet again with Jacob Rees Mogg as Lord Admiral:rotfl:
We are so so screwed!

cogito

That's one hell of a rant even by your standards. Feel better now?

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

If the EU decides to not sign any deal and the UK has to hard Brexit on WTO rules with no pass porting rights for finance with the subsequent loss of 25% of its GDP and goes into a major recession that's still the UK's fault.

Don't forget WW3 as well Moby.

gfplux

This whole thing (Brexit) is going at snails pace. Many who voted for it had understood (so they told me) it would happen very rapidly and they would benefit quite quickly.
Can't we up the pace, many Brexiteers will be too old to benefit from the rich harvest that will be Brexit. They will perhaps draw comfort that their children are still young enough to enjoy the fruits when they come.
As a Remainder I just want it to happen. I expect no benefits to come my way and this delay only prolongs the (my) agony.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

gfplux wrote: »

This whole thing (Brexit) is going at snails pace. Many who voted for it had understood (so they told me) it would happen very rapidly and they would benefit quite quickly.
Can't we up the pace, many Brexiteers will be too old to benefit from the rich harvest that will be Brexit. They will perhaps draw comfort that their children are still young enough to enjoy the fruits when they come.
As a Remainder I just want it to happen. I expect no benefits to come my way and this delay only prolongs the (my) agony.

Well you're in luck. Article 50 gets triggered next month and what a glorious day it will be.

In all of this can you imagine such a perfect storm erupting where the Labour party would do nothing to oppose the Tories? Imagine if any other leader was in charge, they'd have fought every step of the way just to raise their profile and portray themselves as a big alternative but Corbyn has had Labour lay down their arms and do whay the Prime Minister wants. Wonderful.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

So we are burning the bridges and following the loons into our utopian future.The increasingly manic, wild-eyed positivity from the Brexiteers on this point is becoming absurd. We’ll be ‘free’ to trade with the world, they insist, as Trump bellows ‘America First’ and insists that the Queen caddies for him before he’ll strike a deal. On the other side, we’re reduced to threatening Europe with becoming Singapore West.

Where, in all this, are the ‘ordinary people’ that Brexit was supposed to liberate? How will their security and prosperity improve when we’re shredding state spending and lowering high-end taxes to please Trump and to siphon business from Europe?:rotfl:

You Brexiteer numpties also need to remember there is no such thing as either a fair or unfair deal, the UK has decided to leave the EU, the EU has every right to do what ever the hell it wants, the UK has no right to anything at all, if the EU decides to bar every import or economic tie to the UK they have every right to do so.

If the EU decides to not sign any deal and the UK has to hard Brexit on WTO rules with no pass porting rights for finance with the subsequent loss of 25% of its GDP and goes into a major recession that's still the UK's fault. We now have years to watch this coming car crash in slo mo. Its far too early for the Brexiteers to be triumphalist. The phoney war is ending, the real one will now begin and don't think the colonies are going to save us....... It'll come as a shock to many of the colonel Blimp types......the British Empire is no more!

One feature of the empire was the ability to expand by force and colonise different parts of the world which we did probably more successfully than all of the other European colonialists. Everyone was racing off to kick the crap out of less developed countries and steal all of their resources........but guess what the exploitation option using slaves is no longer available. That is probably a tad of a shock for some of you I know.

You see the problem you have now is you can't kick the !!!! out of the former colonies. They're all big boys now and will negotiate pretty hard. Take India for example: compare India now to India in 1947?

It's a bit different really, isn't it?

Meanwhile some of the other reliables like New Zealand have been making their own way in the world since the 1970s and, it just so happens, making their way through trade with the EU. Fancy that?

For your economy to keep growing, (and that's all capitalism is about) you need space, people and resources. And post-Brexit we'll have less space, less people and less resources. So how will we manage it? Get out the fleet again with Jacob Rees Mogg as Lord Admiral:rotfl:
We are so so screwed!

Spectacular.

None of it remotely accurate but I enjoyed it for being MSE's Brexit version of this:



It made me laugh this morning before starting work.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Why do you keep mentioning the month as being relevant to a decline in the importation of flowers grown under glass?

..because, according to the article, December was the month when imports of flowers from Holland fell 15%?

Conrad wrote: »

Why you were so happy with our trade imbalance is quite beyond me.

Don't try and build a strawman to create a diversion. It was you who jumped on the article to confirm your bias.

I'm simply asking you if you really think it's likely that, in December, British cut flower producers managed to replace 15% of Dutch imports. I spend an awful lot of time in Lincolnshire and I've seen no evidence of a big investment in the British cut flower industry.

The article was a 4 line bit of fluff but I think my theory is better. The Dutch flower growers saw a decline in € sales whilst British consumers paid the same but got less flowers for their money. I can't see a winner in there - that's what happens when you trash a currency.

Conrad wrote: »

Every other politician is now fixated on the left behind voters, those who's lives were wrecked by globalisation, and mass influx of cheap workers (thus lack of need to train UK workers) yet still you rattle on about small price rises and ignore the great benefits an economic rebalancing will convey

It's far more likely that the main beneficiaries of any Brexit re-balancing will be the already successful like the folks who frequent this board.

I'm past pretending to care about 'left behind' voters. You can keep up the pretense if you like but I'd suggest that people currently receiving the shaft will continue to do so.

Conrad wrote: »

Fair value competitive currency is vital to our transformation, look how Germany benefitted from a cheap currency

I'll defer to your greater knowledge but if a large trade deficit is bad why is a large trade surplus good?