If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Conrad wrote: »

23/November 2016


Let's look back at this nonsense growth prediction as 2017 numbers unfold

Bank of England sharply raises 2017 growth outlook

By Ben Morris Business Reporter

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Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Spectacular.

None of it remotely accurate but I enjoyed it for being MSE's Brexit version of this:



It made me laugh this morning before starting work.

.....I have this uncontrollable urge to sound off before going to work.....must get my cholesterol level checked!

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Relax. That ship has sailed - the public have opted to leave.

A Tory MP today has joined Farron in calling for a further referendum. The Independent (anything but) claims this is 'just the beginning'

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Enjoying your latest triggering


Me in red

Why don't you use the blue crayon next time......it'll suit the colour of your Aryan eyes;)

Thrugelmir

Conrad wrote: »

It's dawned on me that another reason Mrs May cannot reveal a full plan and list of aims at this stage is this could undermine politicians fighting forthcoming elections in France, Holland and Germany thus making our Brexit negotiation that much more difficult.


She has to tread a thin line.

Elections are fought on local and national issues not international. Why publish anything when you don't know who'll be on the other side of the table. National Governments have the last say not the EU.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

A Tory MP today has joined Farron in calling for a further referendum. The Independent (anything but) claims this is 'just the beginning'

Relax. There won't be a second referendum.
Your beloved 'people's revolt' led by the likes of Arron Banks, Richard Desmond and Jacob Rees-Mogg is safe.

StevieJ

It seems that the EU (Non-British) citizens currently living in this country will have more rights than the indigenous population i.e. they can live and work here but travel freely throughout the EU with their National passport. Mmmm I should imagine that will be a tricky one to sell.

Mr David reassured MPs that he would not be "throwing people out of Britain" as a result of the deal and said he wanted EU nationals living in the UK to have "all the rights" they currently have.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/official-brexit-negotiating-strategy-revealed-123700633.html

whatmichaelsays

The full whitepaper here: Link

I must say, that as someone who is constantly being told I have to "get on board" with Brexit, this whitepaper is making it extremely hard for me to think that this will be anything other than chaos.

What's particularly concerning is minor mistakes in this document which suggest it has barely even been proof read. Such as referring to CTA as Protocol 22 (which governs Denmark) when it's actually Protocol 20 (and somewhat 21, but not really w.r.t. the CTA) that govern this relationship. Had this been read by someone knowledgable about the UK-Ireland's relationship, this would have been identified and corrected.

There are graphs that refer to Serbia & Montenegro, a country that hasn't existed since 2006.

Oh, and apparently we get 13-14 weeks holiday a year - who knew?



What's really scary about this document is the amount that will be 'discussed', 'investigated' or similar (particularly on Gibraltar). There's no solid substance, no justification to statements (i.e. statements are made without "because" following) and just the sheer uncertainty that exists even with this document.

And people try to convince me that the Brexit process isn't being handled by amateurs.

Conrad

Beyond the trade and customs union points here is a summary of the key points from the White Paper.

Immigration
Britain will regain full control of the number of people coming to the country from the EU and free movement of people will no longer apply.
The new immigration system will be designed to help fill skills shortages and welcome "genuine" students.
But any new approach could be "phased in" to give businesses and individuals time to plan and prepare for the new arrangements.
Businesses and communities will be consulted throughout and Parliament will have an "important role" in shaping a new system, which is likely to be brought forward in its own legislation.

The rights of EU nationals living in the UK
Ministers will seek to secure the rights of around 2.8 million EU nationals who live in the UK as soon as possible in negotiations.
But they will only do so when similar rights are guaranteed for the one million British immigrants in continental Europe.
The Government said it wanted to resolve the issue before formal negotiations but not all EU member states supported its approach.

Sovereignty
Britain will leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) but seek to set up separate resolution mechanisms for things like trade disputes.
Ministers say arbitration systems are common in trade deals the EU strikes with other countries, such as with Canada or South Korea.

Avoiding a cliff-edge Brexit
The Government is likely to phase in new rules after leaving the EU to give businesses and the public sector time to plan and prepare.
Ministers will seek to agree a deal on the new relationship within the two-year formal exit process under Article 50 and then have a "phased process of implementation" before being completely free of Brussels regulations.

Security and defence
Britain will continue to collaborate with the EU to fight crime and terror, with a focus on operational and practical cross-border co-operation, while continuing to back European interests around the world, including potential support for sanctions.

The Irish border
The UK will seek to maintain the soft border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland by protecting the Common Travel Area, which was set up in 1923, long before the EU.
The Government wants to see as "seamless and frictionless" trade and movement of people between Northern Ireland and Ireland as possible.

Workers' rights
The Government will protect workers' rights enshrined in EU law and attempt to enhance them as it takes back powers from Brussels.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland
The UK Government will seek to strengthen the Union by devolving powers previously covered by EU laws in areas where the home nations already have some competence, such as agriculture, the environment and transport.

Providing clarity
Ministers will provide certainty wherever it can to reassure business, the public sector and the public during the negotiation talks.
The final deal will be put to a vote in both Houses of Parliament.

Science and innovation
Britain will seek an agreement to continue to collaborate with European countries on science, research and technology initiatives.

Air travel
The Government will attempt to get a deal so Britons can continue to enjoy affordable flights, as they do in the EU's internal aviation market.

Financial services
The Government says it will seek the "freest possible" trade in financial services between the UK and EU, pointing out that provisions exist for countries outside the bloc to do business across the EU, in a similar way to how "passporting" arrangements work for the City currently.

Agriculture
Leaving the Common Agricultural Policy, which at £58 billion in 2014 took up nearly 40% of the EU's budget, will give the UK "a significant opportunity to design new, better and more efficient policies for delivering sustainable and productive farming, land management and rural communities".

Conrad

Gina Miller will be gutted. She hid her true motivations in all interviews except for one.


A while back on LBC when pushed over and again by callers she let it slip her real aim was that a Parliamentary vote of triggering A50 would cause MP's to go back to their constituents BEFORE the vote, in order to 'for the first time' present them with 'proper facts, which they were not given during the referendum debates'.


That this would cause constituents to en-mass let their MP's know they were rejecting Brexit (because of exposure to 'the facts') and that this would cause MP's to vote down triggering A50.