If we vote for Brexit what happens

posh*spice

Tromking wrote: »

The UK doesn't do mainland Europe style "frenzied hate" though does it?

You could have fooled me? The front pages of most newspapers are full of nothing else.

I'm sick of hearing the word immigrant and there is still 3 months to go. *sigh*

Tromking

posh*spice wrote: »

You could have fooled me? The front pages of most newspapers are full of nothing else.

I'm sick of hearing the word immigrant and there is still 3 months to go. *sigh*

Headlines bemoaning immigration by a free press in a democracy is hardly frenzied hate!
European style far right politics doesn't exist in the UK, stop being so precious.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

We'll have to run a poll after the big day - 'were you persuaded to change your mind by anything you read on this forum?'

This forum doesn't matter.

But if media pundits (who the vast majority of voters do hear) drag the referendum into negative territory then I think it's a dubious tactic for Team Remain.

When I stated in DT that I wanted more immigration of specific skills from the rest of the world then I am accused of greed !

Racist one day; greedy the next.

You can't win

kabayiri

setmefree2 wrote: »

It's the easy way out. Which is why the uneducated support Leave imho.

What's your plan for the uneducated then?

There are rather a lot of them, if the education polls are to be taken seriously.

You may hope they can't find their way to the voting stations, but a lot of them have Google Maps on their phone these days

gfplux

leveller2911 wrote: »

The sad thing is Mayo the likes of you and Hamish use this as your default arguement against anyone who has concerns over mass immigration and it does you no favours. This has nothing to do with colour,nationality or race and everything to do with the pressures that mass immigration has had on our services such as schools,NHS and housing etc.

Now we can argue all day long who's fault it is that we are in this position but the fact is we are where we are and increased immigration without proper planning will be to the detriment of us all but thats no reason to just keep the gates open and continue to allow an extra 1 million people into the UK every 3yrs.If we want/need more people then we should build the infrastructure to accomadate them before we allow them in. Thats called planning.



Its very sad that people like you feel the need to personally abuse others just because they don't agree with you. I'm working class so by no means a "supremacist".

Personally I have broad shoulders, take the internet for what it is but would guarantee you wouldn't say that to my face so you keep on being a brave boy on the net.

Yes you are quite right. "We are where we are" however we are "where we are" because of OUR UK Politiciens, not our membership of the EU. We (as in our elected Government) have been in "control" of our NON schengen status for the last few years. We ALL should be angry with our MP's more than we are.

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

TBH I don't know much about banking. However, I notice that US, Swiss and Japanese banks appear free to operate throughout the EU without any obvious restrictions.

And this article appears to suggest they pay very little tax anyway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/five-of-worlds-biggest-investment-banks-pay-no-uk-corporation-tax-a6783716.html

Either way if the EU want to continue selling us their cars, pharmaceuticals etc they're going to have to give access to our services.

Yes, as you say you "dont know much about banking"

Companys (Banks included) can set up companys (Banks) anywhere in the world. That my friend is the whole point of being an attractive place to do business.
If the UK leaves (Divorces) the EU then it has to show it is an attractive place to do business IN and FROM.

leveller2911

gfplux wrote: »

Yes you are quite right. "We are where we are" however we are "where we are" because of OUR UK Politiciens, not our membership of the EU.

Much of the blame lies with our Government ,I accept that and have said the same numerous times.

We (as in our elected Government) have been in "control" of our NON schengen status for the last few years.

Part of the problem is we are refusing entry to many skilled migrants from around the world to try and keep immigration numbers down whilst at the same time having no power whatsoever to assess the calibre of the people coming from the EU.

We ALL should be angry with our MP's more than we are.

I agree we should for the reasons of not building the infrastructure before allowing mass immigration.Immigration can be a good thing, mass ,unfettered immigration is a recipe for disaster.

I find it odd that people are still happy for mass immigration to continue even though we are not building the houses,hospitals,schools and roads that we need to support immigration.

As I've said before if you are in a boat thats sinking its a good idea to plug the leak before inviting more people on board.

Sapphire

leveller2911 wrote: »

Mervin King was on Andrew Marr this morning and said the EUproject is a battle between a political elite and common economics and he is correct.

Name me a single wealthy country who intend to join?.

Also worth remembering that for every new country that joins the UK's voting rights diminish so we will struggle even further to make alliances within the EU.

In fact, isn't it the case that Switzerland (a country that wisely refused to have open borders as far as I know) has recently withdrawn a 24-year-old application to join the EU?

Wise move on the part of Switzerland. Hopefully we will be able to disconnect ourselves from the undemocratic (and increasing) mess that is the EU. Because if this didn't happen, we'd be ordered to contribute ever-greater amounts of taxpayers' money to bail out mainland Europe, and made to accept ever-greater amounts of unvetted people who are trying to escape poverty but who do not have the skills to be contributors to our economy and are a drain on our infrastructure (NHS, housing, education, etc.), wanting only to take out, not put in. We'd also have to accept other things – laws, the fact that the EU wants to create its own army, presumably incorporating our own armed services (I suppose to make up for the fact that the Wermacht had to be disbanded after the Second World War so that Germany would never again create the sort of crimes that it did for two centuries before), and so on. I trust that the British have the common sense to vote leave in sufficient numbers (as I'm doing).

I have to say that I'm incredibly disappointed in Cameron, who I now feel is more interested in supporting the financial elite, who are the real power in the world and do not care about humanity, than about Britain. Were his view to prevail, I don't think I'll ever vote for the Tory party again.:cool:

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

Of course - they're all lying.

they were EXACTLY the same people who 'promised ' massive job loses, collapse of trade etc if we didn't join the euro
remind me what actually happened

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sapphire wrote: »

Switzerland (a country that wisely refused to have open borders as far as I know)

Switzerland is a member of the Schengen area and has open borders with the rest of the EU.

the EU wants to create its own army, presumably incorporating our own armed services (I suppose to make up for the fact that the Wermacht had to be disbanded after the Second World War so that Germany would never again create the sort of crimes that it did for two centuries before),

*sigh*

The Bundeswehr replaced the Wehrmacht after WW2, and is the unified armed forces of Germany.

As of 2015 the Bundeswehr has a strength of roughly 178,000 active troops, placing it among the 30 largest military forces in the world and making it the second largest in the European Union behind France in terms of personnel. In addition the Bundeswehr has approximately 40,000 reserve personnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswehr

Germany doesn't need our troops to "replace the Wehrmacht"...

They have more than enough of their own.

Do you never tire of spouting such blatant inaccuracies?