If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tromking

BobQ wrote: »

Project Fear is alive and well in the Brexit camp I see. It is probably only our FPTH electoral system that is suppressing those same tendencies in the UK

That can only be only conjecture on your part, although you make a good argument for sticking with our traditional ways of doing things like FPTP. I do recall the UK returning a couple of BNP members to the EU Parliament a few years back, did I hear recently that the BNP aren't even registered with the electoral commission now?
Like I said, we don`t do far right politics like they do in the EU.
Interesting that some choose to minimise the far right politics at large in the EU at the same time as exaggerating the near non-existent threat we face in the UK with fascists.

BobQ

http://capreform.eu/agriculture-in-the-debate-over-brexit/

Interesting view from Ireland

Sapphire

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Hmm........

It'd probably be easier not to call out people for having such a 'Little Englander' mentality if they didn't display such a 'Little Englander' mentality.

That sounds extremely bigoted – and you've conveniently ignored the fact that I was specifically referring to the ravages Germany perpetrated on eastern Europe for over two centuries, not to the two relatively short wars fought in little England. And I said that it would be best for all of Europe not to be part of an 'ever greater political union' (not just 'little England'), and gave my reasons for this opinion.

As I also said, those with short-term vested interests in a 'European state' will conveniently ignore the disadvantages and dangers in such a construct. They include anything from small investors in buy to let who wish to see an ever larger population so that there is an ever greater need for accommodation, hence increasing their profits; to large global financial enterprises (they care nothing about nations), which wish to see a globally homogenous population that would ensure labour would be as cheap as possible (with people fighting over jobs); and cultural marxists like Merkel and communists like Corbyn who also wish to see a globally homogenous population because they think everyone can then live in a 'utopia' (in reality it would be a dystopia). I do not wish future generations to experience the marvels of staying in a 'political European union'. That's why I'll be voting out, among other reasons. :cool:

mayonnaise

BobQ wrote: »

The Tory Brexiteers have already said that Brexit would facilitate cutting back on employment rights and I believe they will do just that.

It's what they call 'cutting red tape'
All that pesky legislation regarding working hours, holiday pay, agency work and maternity pay.

setmefree2 wrote: »

EU immigrants were educated and invested in by other EU countries. And how do we thank those other EU countries? By restricting their citizens from sending money home in child benefit.

There was an item on the news this morning (can't remember the channel) reporting on the state of the Romanian health system. As most young medical professionals have left for wealthier countries, their health system is reduced to an ever dwindling pool of geriatric doctors and consultants.
While their young and bright (educated and trained at ZERO cost to the UK) give us the best healthcare we can wish for. We should indeed be more thankful.

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

This forum doesn't matter.

But if media pundits (who the vast majority of voters do hear) drag the referendum into negative territory then I think it's a dubious tactic for Team Remain.

Dubious tactic for Team Remain?
You haven't seen the leave.eu campaign yet, I assume?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's what they call 'cutting red tape'
All that pesky legislation regarding working hours, holiday pay, agency work and maternity pay.

There was an item on the news this morning (can't remember the channel) reporting on the state of the Romanian health system. As most young medical professionals have left for wealthier countries, their health system is reduced to an ever dwindling pool of geriatric doctors and consultants.
While their young and bright (educated and trained at ZERO cost to the UK) give us the best healthcare we can wish for. We should indeed be more thankful.

we could of course, regret the damage we are doing to the people, health care and economy of Romania.

or we could take a neo-colonialist view and celebrate our ability to exploit poor countries

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

we could of course, regret the damage we are doing to the people, health care and economy of Romania.

There can be no doubt it's this concern for the people of Romania which is at the heart of the leave campaign.

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Rinoa

Well, the Swiss have eventually decided the EU isn't for them.

24 years ago they made a formal application to join at a date of their choosing sometime in the future.

2 days ago the Swiss parliament voted to withdraw that application.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/03/swiss-parliament-withdraws-bid-to-join-eu/

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

There can be no doubt it's this concern for the people of Romania which is at the heart of the leave campaign.

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I would doubt that.
However some people have some sort of concern for others and recognise the harm that is being done by EU policies.
The high tariffs of the EU did great harm to many developing countries by excluding their products from our markets : still one can speculate that they are migrating instead now.

Sapphire

Rinoa wrote: »

Well, the Swiss have eventually decided the EU isn't for them.

24 years ago they made a formal application to join at a date of their choosing sometime in the future.

2 days ago the Swiss parliament voted to withdraw that application.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/03/swiss-parliament-withdraws-bid-to-join-eu/

Indeed – I had noticed that and commented on it briefly in a previous post.

There's one thing that's been puzzling me about this 'ever closer union pie-in-the-sky business'. Europe has a variety of democratically elected governments, ranging from extreme left and centre to right wing, with various shades in between. How on Earth could a political union come about under such circumstances? Would Germany try to force all the nations in the union to comply with its idea of what a good government is? How would this come about? If the populations of the different countries democratically vote in a government that is not to the eurocats taste, will these then attempt to impose their idea of the 'right' government onto such nations? Would they do this by force, or how? The nations of Europe have very different histories, which shape how the populations vote now, and the populations would take it gravely amiss if any attempt was made to remove their democratic rights (lucky they are not submissive proles yet).

Seems to me as though the whole thing is an expensive recipe for disaster, like the Euro. The EU is going to break up anyway, and it would be best for Britain to leave before this happens. So I'm voting out. :T