If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

mayonnaise wrote: »

There was an item on the news this morning (can't remember the channel) reporting on the state of the Romanian health system. As most young medical professionals have left for wealthier countries, their health system is reduced to an ever dwindling pool of geriatric doctors and consultants.
While their young and bright (educated and trained at ZERO cost to the UK) give us the best healthcare we can wish for. We should indeed be more thankful.

The Romanians are also providing medical training to UK citizens who could not get into a UK medical school. They conduct courses in English, train them to be doctors and then they come home and find jobs in the NHS.

http://www.studyinginromania.com/romanian-medical-university-studies.html

Here is your 82 year old neurosurgeon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35670034

vivatifosi

setmefree2 wrote: »

Funny how London has so many kids from all over the world and yet we have some of the best performing state schools in the country?

Most kids from other EU countries have great English in my experience so fear not.

As I said in my original post, it is down to the number of children coming from abroad, and the fact that they DO NOT already speak English.

These are not the best schools in the county, they are schools that were already struggling.

If you want to understand why people are voting out, you have to see that these thorny issues exist, rather than sweeping them under the carpet.

I am voting in, I still think it is the better option, but we to need to better understand the concerns of the out camp.

mwpt

vivatifosi wrote: »

If you want to understand why people are voting out, you have to see that these thorny issues exist, rather than sweeping them under the carpet.

I am voting in, I still think it is the better option, but we to need to better understand the concerns of the out camp.

Exactly this. I obviously side with the remain vote, being an immigrant myself. But the remain campaign are starting to sound very Labour-esque by trying to take the moral high ground and dismissing the leave campaign as small minded or worse.

I think the country will vote to remain but I'm fearful that we're going about it the wrong way.

CLAPTON

vivatifosi wrote: »

As I said in my original post, it is down to the number of children coming from abroad, and the fact that they DO NOT already speak English.

These are not the best schools in the county, they are schools that were already struggling.

If you want to understand why people are voting out, you have to see that these thorny issues exist, rather than sweeping them under the carpet.

I am voting in, I still think it is the better option, but we to need to better understand the concerns of the out camp.

why isn't the wish to make our own laws in parliament and to be able to change them by voting for different people, sufficient?

cells

BobQ wrote: »

The Romanians are also providing medical training to UK citizens who could not get into a UK medical school. They conduct courses in English, train them to be doctors and then they come home and find jobs in the NHS.

http://www.studyinginromania.com/romanian-medical-university-studies.html

Here is your 82 year old neurosurgeon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35670034

We have many good applicants who want to study medicine but are turned down even with 3 or 4 As at a-levels.

At the same time we have far too many people studying Law and other courses where the supply and demand are so bad that a lot of law graduates can spent nearly a decade working for free or nearly free as paralegals.

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

why isn't the wish to make our own laws in parliament and to be able to change them by voting for different people, sufficient?

You mean sufficient to compensate for the loss of jobs?

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

Dubious tactic for Team Remain?
You haven't seen the leave.eu campaign yet, I assume?
...

Indeed.

If I were that campaign manager I would do everything I could within the narrowest margins of the law to make sure my team won.

What would the Remain team respond with? They could pretend there aren't conflicts on mainland Europe I suppose. They could wheel out Yvette Cooper to crow on about cultural awareness, looking increasingly out of touch from London.

The SNP have demonstrated that the "anti-Westminster" concept is a powerful grassroots recruiting mechanism.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

You mean sufficient to compensate for the loss of jobs?

What job loses are these?

Many countries in the EU have very high unemployment rates which would probably be reduced if they had free trade, their own currency and democratic control over their own destiny.

You make it clear you have no regard for and place no value on democracy : that is your choice but many don't share that view.

Anyway I don't mind being as poor as USA or Aus, NZ etc who seem to be able to manage their own affairs in a democratic manner.

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

You mean sufficient to compensate for the loss of jobs?

There are 2,500 job losses just announced from Npower. They can't blame that on a Brexit can they?

Tens of thousands of UK jobs have gone in IT and contact centres to places like India; Malta; and the new kid on the block - South Africa. All while we are in this thing called the EU club.

Tell me what the EU can do about this trend? What will the EU be able to do about the next wave of automation which is a decade away at max?

You can pretend that the EU protects the average person's job if you like, but it doesn't hold up.

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

Indeed.

If I were that campaign manager I would do everything I could within the narrowest margins of the law to make sure my team won.

What would the Remain team respond with? They could pretend there aren't conflicts on mainland Europe I suppose. They could wheel out Yvette Cooper to crow on about cultural awareness, looking increasingly out of touch from London.

The SNP have demonstrated that the "anti-Westminster" concept is a powerful grassroots recruiting mechanism.

The Remain campaign has indeed that problem. Whenever they produce facts, it will be dismissed as scaremongering as we've seen over the past few weeks.

The Remain message is also quite boring as it's mainly based on the benefits of free trade. This doesn't resonate much with Angry Little Englanders who are more open to one-liners like 'we're sending 350 million a week to Brussels!' (which is a plain lie by the way) and incessant migrant bashing.