If we vote for Brexit what happens

Braveheart100

To all the Remoaners - there is still time for you to relocate to another EU country if you still want to be in the EU that much.

As the Dutch PM said today

Dutch PM Rutte: 'If you don't like it here, then leave'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38718286

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Redwood and Lilly (Lilley btw).....industrialists?
Both are career politicians. Why do you spout this nonsense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Redwood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lilley

Industrialists! lolz:rotfl:

Ok lets say Businessmen then;



http://www.selsdongroup.co.uk/redwood.htm


From 1972 to 1987, Mr Redwood held the distinction of being a Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford. His business career has included being an Executive Director of N M Rothschild, (a leading merchant bank), non-executive chairman of Norcros plc (a quoted industrial company). He is currently chairman of Maybey Securities, a financial services company.


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http://www.peterlilley.co.uk/about.php

Peter Lilley was born on 23 August 1943 in Hayes, Kent. He was educated at Hayes County Primary School, Dulwich College and Clare College, Cambridge, where he studied natural science and economics. He is married to Gail, a successful artist.

Experience in Business: He was a Director of Greenwell Montagu Stockbrokers (1986-87) where he headed the oil investment department and which he joined in 1972. He was previously an economic advisor in underdeveloped countries (1966-72). He is Non-executive Director of JPMorgan Fleming Claverhouse Investment Trust plc; of IDOX plc and of Melchior Japan Investment Trust plc

Herzlos

Braveheart100 wrote: »

To all the Remoaners - there is still time for you to relocate to another EU country if you still want to be in the EU that much.

Oh there's plenty of opportunity for me/us to leave after it's all been settled, because our skills are in demand (and my company has branches all round the EU). The thing is, though, what do you do to replace us and our tax bills? I don't pay a huge amount (I'm in the 40% band though), but I've still got 35+ years of tax paying to go before I can retire (and pay tax on that).

Conrad

Not many parts of Europe do not have a far right momentum significantly in the ascendancy.


I thought you disliked xenophobia / small minded red-neck thinking?

Herzlos

Nowhere is perfect, and there are certainly pockets of far-right issues, but on the whole Europe seems to be a lot more liberal than England, and is more in line with Scotland.

I could get on quite happily in most of Europe I reckon. I wouldn't be upset about the idea of putting my kids through school in Germany or Denmark, for instance.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Oh there's plenty of opportunity for me/us to leave after it's all been settled, because our skills are in demand (and my company has branches all round the EU). The thing is, though, what do you do to replace us and our tax bills? I don't pay a huge amount (I'm in the 40% band though), but I've still got 35+ years of tax paying to go before I can retire (and pay tax on that).

You see, again you pick, twist and turn to put forward your distorted opinion.

1/ The EU "after it's all been settled" may not allow you entry for a variety of reasons. You may find life here so profitable and good that you do not want to leave. Or have you already decided how the future will look? You really cannot have it every way.

2/ Will your company still have branches all around the EU? Or (perhaps a more pertinent question) will the EU as we know it now even exist? Much in this thread has already been written yet - again - you are deciding what the future will look like. The thing is, your crystal ball looks distorted from the responses you give.

3/ How do we replace your tax bills? Now that one really is laughable in light of what has already been discussed in this thread, of hundreds of thousands of (not low-paid, either) jobs already lost.
You think that you are somehow different?
Is your job really so indispensable to our country?
I sincerely doubt that.
Leading to:

4/ "... our skills are in demand" - now perhaps but for how long?
Millions in this country have at one time thought the same, only to find that times change and those skills now stand for nought.

Not that I expect you to accept any of this.
Because you increasingly appear to ignore fact, even that which has recently been discussed in this very thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

Nowhere is perfect, and there are certainly pockets of far-right issues, but on the whole Europe seems to be a lot more liberal than England, and is more in line with Scotland.

I could get on quite happily in most of Europe I reckon. I wouldn't be upset about the idea of putting my kids through school in Germany or Denmark, for instance.

Europe?
Liberal?
" Europe seems to be a lot more liberal than England".
Now I KNOW you're trolling!

There are quite literally thousands of examples that prove how totally incorrect you are.
You just proved yourself to be no longer worthy of serious debate.

BTW I have lived in various parts of western europe for up to three years at a time.
I do have direct and personal experience.
And no, I am not anti-european.
I am however anti-EU.

Herzlos

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

1/ The EU "after it's all been settled" may not allow you entry for a variety of reasons. You may find life here so profitable and good that you do not want to leave. Or have you already decided how the future will look? You really cannot have it every way.

The EU has offered the possibility of granting EU citizenship to UK citizens, and there will still be some way for skilled workers to migrate from UK->EU. It's only the UK that wants to reduce migrants, here.

2/ Will your company still have branches all around the EU? Or (perhaps a more pertinent question) will the EU as we know it now even exist? Much in this thread has already been written yet - again - you are deciding what the future will look like. The thing is, your crystal ball looks distorted from the responses you give.

Yup. It might not have any UK branches, though. Like I said, I'm going to wait and see rather than jumping ship, because I know that option is going to be open to me (it's going to be easier to leave UK than enter later, since you're so keen to keep the numbers down).

3/ How do we replace your tax bills? Now that one really is laughable in light of what has already been discussed in this thread, of hundreds of thousands of (not low-paid, either) jobs already lost.
You think that you are somehow different?

I'm pointing out that Brexit may loose you contributors and not just jobs. My tax take is insignificant compared to, say, Jeremy Clarkson. But it's still a net contribution, and thus if you lose enough of us you're going to start hurting. That's not too difficult a concept I assume? Assuming, "Tax burden = total expendatures / tax payers", then a decrease in tax payers will result in an increase of tax burden?

Is your job really so indispensable to our country?

Nah, it could be done anywhere.

4/ "... our skills are in demand" - now perhaps but for how long?
Millions in this country have at one time thought the same, only to find that times change and those skills now stand for nought.

The forseeable future anyway. Until robots can build themselves, at least. By that point we'll have more important things to worry about.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Europe?
Liberal?

It's certainly seemed that way from my involvement with it. But then I've never been there fore more than a few weeks at a time, in a personal and work capacity.

There are quite literally thousands of examples that prove how totally incorrect you are.

Given the population size, I'm OK with that. Are you really trying to imply that England is more liberal than, say, Holland or Germany?

You just proved yourself to be no longer worthy of serious debate.

Fair enough, feel free to ignore me.

mayonnaise

No denying the far-right is on the ascendant in continental Europe.

Maybe one day they will catch up with us, form a government and start naming and shaming companies who employ immigrants or labeling foreign nationals as bargaining chips.

They might even get a prime minister stating "if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere".

Who knows.

Mortgagefreeman

Herzlos wrote: »

Nowhere is perfect, and there are certainly pockets of far-right issues, but on the whole Europe seems to be a lot more liberal than England, and is more in line with Scotland.

Comedy hour appears to have arrived early this evening. :rotfl: