If we vote for Brexit what happens

setmefree2

Thought I'd flag up this Bloomberg interview with (the unelected) EU commission vice president Dombrovskis.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-01-20/eu-s-dombrovskis-u-s-eu-partnership-is-important

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't believe so, but I don't have the numbers. I get the impression that US medical companies are desperate to get into our NHS.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/dinamedland/2014/08/08/the-ties-that-bind-uk-is-the-largest-foreign-investor-in-the-us-by-far/#5b8749e79698


In its report, Sterling Assets, the CBI reveals that the UK is the largest foreign investor in the U.S., supporting nearly one million jobs across the country. At year-end 2012, the UK - by investing $487 billion in the U.S. - was almost $200 billion ahead of the next large investor (Japan).

The UK represented 9% of U.S. services exports worldwide last year, making it the second-largest market for the United States, trailing only Canada, but ahead of Japan, China, and Mexico. The United States also imported more services from the United Kingdom ($48bn in 2013) than from any other country.


Herzlos we are one another's largest investor partners but I cant find the info just now


1. Isn't our Brexit minister talking about turning us into a sweat shop nation by "deregulating" in order to remain competitive?


I doubt very much that we British we allow ourselves to become a sweat shop nation





2. Why would they feel it's ok to send any jobs to the UK, when they could have them in the US?

They want to sell us things and us in return
We are already significant trading partners and FAIR trading, unlike sweatshop China where trade benefits China more than the US




What if we build cars cheaper than the US?


We wont, I'm sure our exports will compliment one anothers. Its all about FAIR free trade, not idiotic 'liberal' one way trade that benefits China


We could easily start assembling Jags in Mexico or India and then get slapped with huge tariffs?


I would not blame him, that would not be fair trade that would be profiteering by way of sweat shop wage economies. I've been on about this for years

I'm in red

Crashy_Time

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's quite simple really.
If German industry is faced with interruption of trade with a market of 60 million, compared with interruption of trade with a market of 400 million, the choice is obvious.

Obvious to all, except our resident brexit headbangers.

What happens when some of the 400 million want to go their own way, do the Germans just keep painting themselves into a corner?

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's quite simple really.
If German industry is faced with interruption of trade with a market of 60 million, compared with interruption of trade with a market of 400 million, the choice is obvious.

Obvious to all, except our resident brexit headbangers.

Why would EU trade disruption occur, unless the EU club is so bad that countries want to leave, but even then why would a French wine maker stop selling to a Hungarian consumer?


You guys I think vastly over state the benefits of the SM. Why would you discount the views of the Brits that built it, Redwood and Lilly, both former industrialists? They see it has harmful to enterprise in the round

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

You used to tell us it was as simple as putting a brass plate up.
Now you're talking about minor staff-relocations.
To be continued.

I went out of my way to assert both would likely occur but not to any meaningful extent, and in any event much of this is posturing as big Banks want to encourage Mrs May to reduce corporation tax.


The intrusive over - regulated anti Banker EU wont be attracting many from the good ole buccaneering City

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

And as far as I'm aware, that's still the case, representatives in Norway even warned us against it. But May isn't talking about a Norway model.
There were some pretty bad lies on both sides, that's never been in doubt.

Ok, so what model do you want then?


What is so wrong with going into the Moroccan carpet sellers shop seeking the best deal we can?


Do you recommend candidates on The Apprentice ignore Sir Alan and go into negotiations with a weak expectation?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Ok, so what model do you want then?

At this stage I'd take the Norwegian model. I know I said it's a crap model, but it's realistically the only model that still gets us customs/SM/passporting, which I view as the most important outcome of any deal.

I'd be happy with some custom model, where we stand on our own, but pay the EU the full £350m/week for customs and single market access, hopefully with some restriction on movement to keep the leavers happy too.

What is so wrong with going into the Moroccan carpet sellers shop seeking the best deal we can?

Because if you make a stupid deal proposal, you'll lose credibility and good will from the off. If I went into a Moroccan carpet sellers shop and seriously asked for his best carpet for 1 Dirham (about 8p), what reaction do you think I'd get?

Do you recommend candidates on The Apprentice ignore Sir Alan and go into negotiations with a weak expectation?

I recommend they go in with realistic expectations.

padington

Herzlos wrote: »

Trump and team are trying to get out of NATO, as per Trumps campaign stance on it. See: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/193
It's called the "American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2017"

I wouldn't judge a deal maker on just what they say they want.

There is an old anarchist phrase 'be realistic, demand the impossible'.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Redwood and Lilly, both former industrialists?

Redwood and Lilly (Lilley btw).....industrialists?
Both are career politicians. Why do you spout this nonsense?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Redwood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lilley

Industrialists! lolz:rotfl:

Herzlos

padington wrote: »

I wouldn't judge a deal maker on just what they say they want.

There is an old anarchist phrase 'be realistic, demand the impossible'.

Does demanding the impossible ever actually work when sitting across the table from a negotiator? I mean, are we going to call their bluff?