If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Don't need a badge - look at how many different people picked up on your same comment with the same sort of reply.

Telling you something?

Herd mentality?

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

One of the other things I suffer from is that I can't actually see into the future like everyone else so don't pretend I can.

Yawwwwwn. :wall:

Must be awful in your world trying to plan or budget for anything then.

setmefree2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Yawwwwwn. :wall:

Put her/him on ignore - It's Bliss.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

He's correct though.

Even if they did vote based on immigration, it's not the individuals they object to but the system that is in place.

So you're just banging a bigoted drum rather than making any lucid observations as to why people voted how they did.

I'm giving an opinion that many/ lots/ most voted for Brexit for reasons of xenophobia. It's my further opinion that to say otherwise is post truth i.e. not true.

You've dismissed my opinion by offering one of your own (it's the immigration system rather than xenophobia). Happy to agree to disagree but I'm not happy to agree that your opinion trumps mine - not how it works.

ruggedtoast

Graham_Devon wrote: »

See, clarified your view of "I think it will be fine but it might not be" (i.e. I won't say anything at all that could catch me out) with another tired insult towards those who voted to leave the EU to ensure, without actually contributing anything or affixing your position, you remain on one side of the debate....

It's gutter stuff. You go around accusing people of all and sundry, but at the end of the day, your go to position, as always, appears to be insults over substance.

Wnich is pretty rich coming from a UKIP supporter:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11467713/No-dogs.-No-blacks.-No-Irish-is-now-Ukip-policy.html

So it’s official. Nigel Farage wants to make racism legal.
There is no ambiguity. Ukip’s leader can try to obfuscate and weasel. Cheered on by his ragtag army of acolytes and supporters, he can rage about media misrepresentation as much as he likes.
But the camera doesn’t lie. Or at least, it didn’t on the day Nigel Farage sat down with Trevor Phillips to give his views on current race relations laws.
Phillips asks: “In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?”
“No,” Nigel Farage responds.

If you follow something contemptible Graham, don't be surprised if people treat you with contempt.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm giving an opinion that many/ lots/ most voted for Brexit for reasons of xenophobia. It's my further opinion that to say otherwise is post truth i.e. not true.

You've dismissed my opinion by offering one of your own (it's the immigration system rather than xenophobia). Happy to agree to disagree but I'm not happy to agree that your opinion trumps mine - not how it works.

That's why you examine what opinions are based on.

My opinion as a leave voter is in no way related to hatred or dislike of foreigners. I'm married to one, and we've many friends who are foreigners because of that.

I've seen no evidence from people I know who voted to leave that says a dislike of foreigners drove their choice to vote, if you were to ask them about the immigration system you'll certainly see a dislike for that.

setmefree2

Schaeuble says Brexit without deal would be a disaster

Germany will do "whatever we can" to ensure a successful outcome to Brexit negotiations within the two-year deadline set down in the EU treaties, the country's finance minister has said.
Wolfgang Schaeuble said that a "cliff-edge" withdrawal from the EU without an agreed deal would be a disaster not only for the UK but also for Europe.

He said he expected Britain to remain a very important partner of the remaining EU and London to continue to be an important financial centre for Europe after Brexit.
Speaking alongside Mr Hammond on a discussion panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Mr Schaeuble said that the PM's Brexit speech on Tuesday had provided the EU with clarity over the final outcome Britain is seeking from negotiations.
He acknowledged that the detailed talks would be "much more complicated than in the opening speeches", but said he believed a deal was doable.

"The German government will work in these negotiations always in the direction that we minimise any risk and damage for both of us. That's our position," he said.
Asked whether he was worried about the possibility of a "cliff-edge", the finance minister said: "We are very concerned that it will not happen.
"We will not only be concerned, we will be engaged that it will not happen, because it would be a disaster for all of us.
"Now we can start to work and we will do whatever we can to avoid such a situation. I think it is possible to get it done."

"Philip Hammond and I totally agree we have to manage this decision by the British people of Britain in the best way to minimise or to avoid any damage for the UK as well as for Europe.
"For Europe, the UK remains a very important partner."
He added: "I am personally convinced that even after the negotiations have been done, London will remain an important financial centre for Europe."
Mr Schaeuble said the whole EU must respond to the lessons of the Brexit vote, which showed the need for reform to combat disillusionment with the European project and concern about the "disruptive changes" brought about by globalisation.
"The first reaction to the Brexit decision for me was that I cried," he said.
"The second reaction was that it is a wake-up call for Europe. We have a growing euroscepticism all over European member states."

Mr Schaeuble said the referendum result had so far had a positive impact on the UK economy and said he did not expect it to exert a negative influence on the eurozone during 2017.

Hammond

He added: "If we serve the notice in the end of March 2017 we will leave the European Union end of March 2019.
"That's effectively a political necessity in terms of the UK political situation and it's the legal position of the treaties.
"But we have to face the fact that there are many transitions that will be involved, business transitions, governmental transitions.
"If we change our customs arrangements we will need significant new infrastructure at the borders between the European Union and the UK.
"If we have different migration arrangements we will need significant new IT systems. These cannot be built and deployed in a few months, they are going to take years in some cases."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0120/846435-brexit/

ruggedtoast

It won't be a surprise to anyone that I am not especially heartbroken over the misfortunes of bankers, but here Brexit isn't actually harming bankers. the UK will be just as dependent on their wretchedly rigged financial system of paying them to give us our own money - except now we won't get any of it back as tax as they are all leaving.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/davos-big-banks-future-post-brexit-banking-jobs-move-eu-financial-sector-goldman-sachs-hsbc-wef-a7536836.html

HSBC

“Activities specifically covered by EU legislation will move, and looking at our own numbers, that’s about 20 per cent of revenue,”

UBS

“we still have flexibility to decide where to go but we will definitely have to move,” adding that, with Brexit “we have to anticipate the worst”.

“Operating our business to maximise our global potential -- we were trying to get as much into the UK as we could,” Mr Blankfein said on Thursday. “We’re slowing down that decision”. The CEO said New York had already gained from Britain’s decision to leave the EU.

Lloyds of London

Chief executive Inga Beale told Bloomberg: “So we’re going to be setting up a subsidiary somewhere else in the EU – a country that we hope will remain in the EU

JP Morgan

“It looks like there will be more job movement than we’d hoped for”, JP Morgan boss Jamie Dimon said on Wednesday.

And this industry will be replaced by what?

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Must be awful in your world trying to plan or budget for anything then.

Not really. I use plans and budgets to try and shape my future.

If I had your hubris and crystal ball I wouldn't bother.

mrginge

ruggedtoast wrote: »

And this industry will be replaced by what?

Removal of free bus passes for boomers.