If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

Quite, people are bothered about what other people think about them so will rarely say 'I'm a bit xenophobic'. Instead they'll say some of my best friends are foreign and so on.

To be honest you're getting a bit upset because you think I'm calling you a racist when I'm making a more general point. I don't know you at all but I do know that at the last GE 12% of the electorate voted UKIP and, probably, that number would've been higher without the referendum promise. I'm happy enough with my opinion,

Well UKIP's stated aim was to leave the EU, which has been achieved, so why does that 12% have to be all xenophobes? I would think the 12% probably agreed with the other 40% that voted for Brexit. There will be some xenophobes, sure. But when you're talking about 52% of the electorate and saying that more than 50% of that (a generalisation) is xenophobic it seems to me that you would be wrong to characterise these people like that.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Quite, people are bothered about what other people think about them so will rarely say 'I'm a bit xenophobic'. Instead they'll say some of my best friends are foreign and so on.

You are right, some people are wanting fewer 'foreigners' coming here, and the usual undergrad reaction to this is shrill hysteria, whereas I say each to their own. Humans are complex and often hold conflicting opinions they struggle with.


'Progressives' claim the moral high ground, but this is just a giant hoax.

Seems to me the mask has slipped, and far from being champions of the working class, they've revealed themselves to be the most boorish awful condescending snobs. Every other Brexit post in the Guardian reveals the true nature of the authoritarian arrogant 'liberal' that haughtily decry opponents as red neck thickies and commoners.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Quite, people are bothered about what other people think about them so will rarely say 'I'm a bit xenophobic'. Instead they'll say some of my best friends are foreign and so on.

To be honest you're getting a bit upset because you think I'm calling you a racist when I'm making a more general point. I don't know you at all but I do know that at the last GE 12% of the electorate voted UKIP and, probably, that number would've been higher without the referendum promise. I'm happy enough with my opinion,

well, we do know a large percentage of the population is in favour of belonging to an organisation that discrinimates against the people black african countries

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So if, from your own wording above, you prioritize who you "look after" as you describe in the quote above that very clearly makes you the xenophobe by your own admission.

Now if you are going to continue attempts at what you think are derogatory comments you really should firstly understand fully what a word means, and secondly not implicate yourself as a candidate for the terminology you just used.

In other words, try not to drop yourself in it.

You should've noted I have a preference for myself, immediate family, extended family, friends, neighbours and so on. I'm going to prioritise them (and vice versa I assume?) over you, your immediate family and so on. To call me a xenophobe because these people happen to be mainly white and christian is ridiculous and misses the point by a country mile.

Doesn't mean I'm not a xenophobe as well of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

well, we do know a large percentage of the population is in favour of belonging to an organisation that discrinimates against the people black african countries

Let's discuss this when the UK lifts tariffs for African imports and the EU doesn't. For now I consider this an irrelevance because I doubt the UK's and EU' tariff rules will diverge that much as a result of brexit. Mrs. May is making the right noises though.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Let's discuss this when the UK lifts tariffs for African imports and the EU doesn't. For now I consider this an irrelevance because I doubt the UK's and EU' tariff rules will diverge that much as a result of brexit. Mrs. May is making the right noises though.

the discrimination by the EU is real and present now and has been for 40 years.
Future actions of the UK don't really affect the reality of the EU behaviour which most 'remainers' do not seem to disapprove, even those that are free with their racist rhetoric about people wanting to leave the EU.

Conrad

Churchill> “We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not comprised. We are interested and associated but not absorbed”.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

the discrimination by the EU is real and present now and has been for 40 years.
Future actions of the UK don't really affect the reality of the EU behaviour which most 'remainers' do not seem to disapprove, even those that are free with their racist rhetoric about people wanting to leave the EU.

We've been part of the EU for that time and therefore implicated in developing and perpetuating this discrimination (perceived or real). We're currently part of them 'them'.

I could give credence to the idea that a vote to leave the EU is a vote to end this discrimination if it had been a campaigning point but it wasn't.

Given you believe in the mutual benefits of trade you could argue tariffs shaft the buyer and seller without regard to ethnicity and religion. That's probably something I might be more willing to go along with - don't look for a conspiracy - look for a !!!!-up.

I need to see the UK tariff code decrease in size dramatically before I think these discussions have anything to do with Brexit.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Churchill> “We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe but not of it. We are linked but not comprised. We are interested and associated but not absorbed”.

Churchill can be relied upon to have covered all the bases.

We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living.

Worth a skim through...

http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/astonish.html

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

We've been part of the EU for that time and therefore implicated in developing and perpetuating this discrimination (perceived or real). We're currently part of them 'them'.

I am contrasting the suppose non - xenophobia of the remainers against the long term discrimination (many would say racism) against black africa (and other countries.). Obviously a key point is they the UK have indeed been part of it.
I could be forgiven for believing that you believe that because the UK was part of the discrimination that that somehow makes it OK.
Moral compass its set by being no worse than the other fellow.

I could give credence to the idea that a vote to leave the EU is a vote to end this discrimination if it had been a campaigning point but it wasn't.

the discrimination is wrong or right irrespective if it was part of a campaign :

Given you believe in the mutual benefits of trade you could argue tariffs shaft the buyer and seller without regard to ethnicity and religion. That's probably something I might be more willing to go along with - don't look for a conspiracy - look for a !!!!-up.

no, the EU trade policy and the deliberate choice to impose tariffs on our near neighbours in black africa, was due to the politics of French and German argicultural policy, even though they knew the harm they were doing.

I need to see the UK tariff code decrease in size dramatically before I think these discussions have anything to do with Brexit.

you will never believe any good will come out of brexit