If we vote for Brexit what happens

The_Last_Username

melanzana wrote: »

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I'm not stupid, and I do not want to be condescended to either in every respect (which means fek off LOL).

Keep your carrotts to yourself! But I am being lighthearted.

The issue is tarriff free trade within the EU and EU regulations.

If the EU allows the UK to trade as normal, what is the benefit of EU membership for everyone else then?

Simple question!

Ah well you see, you reap what you sow.

Indeed, the question of "what is the benefit of EU membership" is one that is already being asked more and more in the original Common Market countries.
Have you not taken note of how many of the residents of these countries are dissatisfied with what the EU has become - including Germans?
More and more it becomes obvious that the only ones appreciating the EU are those that gain most financially.

What you OUGHT to be asking is "If the EU does not allow the UK to trade as normal, what benefit is the increased cost of EU membership for everyone else then?"

Because not only will our funding need to come from the remaining 27, but increased prices/lost jobs caused by tariffs will then be borne by mostly the same of the 27 that are already disenchanted.

melanzana

I think German people will ask what their Chancellor did WRT to ONE MILLION immigrants. But there we are. I don't think they really thought of that as an EU issue, more a Merkel decision, since she invited them all to Germany.

Anyway, there is such a divide in the UK now it is rather sad.

Eu or not Eu. Well that has been decided, but many do not subscribe. So it will be devisive if it means that ordinary lives are affected. Even if they did not think it would be!

But they may not be. Let us be optimistic, it's the only way to go now!

The_Last_Username

melanzana wrote: »

I think German people will ask what their Chancellor did WRT to ONE MILLION immigrants. But there we are. I don't think they really thought of that as an EU issue, more a Merkel decision, since she invited them all to Germany.

Anyway, there is such a divide in the UK now it is rather sad.

Eu or not Eu. Well that has been decided, but many do not subscribe. So it will be devisive if it means that ordinary lives are affected. Even if they did not think it would be!

But they may not be. Let us be optimistic, it's the only way to go now!

Hurrah for optimism.

Yes, there may be a divide in the UK but have you not noticed the increased incidence of such divides globally?
Should things start to go well and the UK public regain confidence as well increased disposable income, such divides will soon be forgotten.
Of course the opposite is also quite possible.

Meanwhile these divides in mainland Europe have yet to peak methinks.
Not just regarding migrants.
There are (as has been said before) too many major obstacles very near conclusion, from banking and currency woes to the increasing popularity of extremist groups.

I believe that we are only part of the way through a global period of great change, and part of the change yet to come will involve thev EU.
How great a change is the only real question yet to be answered.

melanzana

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Hurrah for optimism.

Yes, there may be a divide in the UK but have you not noticed the increased incidence of such divides globally?
Should things start to go well and the UK public regain confidence as well increased disposable income, such divides will soon be forgotten.
Of course the opposite is also quite possible.

Meanwhile these divides in mainland Europe have yet to peak methinks.
Not just regarding migrants.
There are (as has been said before) too many major obstacles very near conclusion, from banking and currency woes to the increasing popularity of extremist groups.

I believe that we are only part of the way through a global period of great change, and part of the change yet to come will involve thev EU.
How great a change is the only real question yet to be answered.

Indeed we are in the thrust of Global change.

But what were we like before Brexit? Same thing.

All I would like is a good intelligent and non partisan negotiating team for Brexit. But doubt that will happen. That is my view.

Rinoa

melanzana wrote: »

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If the EU allows the UK to trade as normal, what is the benefit of EU membership for everyone else then?

Simple question!

There is none.

The EU are worried their citizens will eventually work that out.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Because we don't, really. The ace up your sleeve seems to be that we buy lots of expensive Bavarian cars.

Bavaria is more than just cars. Taken as a region in isolation. It would sit 8th in economic size in the EU if were a country in it's own right. As a consequence carries huge lobbying might. With Germany heading for a coalition Government next year. An ally that Mrs Merkel will most certainly need. Nothing is ever as simple as being black and white. There's a vast amount of grey in the middle.

melanzana

Rinoa wrote: »

There is none.

The EU are worried their citizens will eventually work that out.

I really don't thing the EU need to worry yet. They have all the cards in their pockets so far.

But anyway, this Brexit is going to wake us all up anyway!

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

The no. 1 negotiator for Brexit Sir Ivan Rogers has just resigned. Or was he pushed?

He was the UK Ambassador to the EU and knew all the nooks and crannys about this. He apparently laid it on the line, and said that the exit would take years and might not be successful either at the end of the day. He knows and has worked with people from the EU for years, so he probably knows more than we do, since he sees things on the ground so to speak.

Now he's gone.

So a successor without all his contacts and experience needs to be found stat.

I really wonder if Whitehall has any Brexiteers at all! So who will be chosen as his inexperienced successor I wonder?

Theresa May is making a dog's dinner of all this really, and won't accept the experienced advice of a very senior diplomat/civil servant on the ground who knows the score.

But hey ho, she will find a way. Might take ten years longer, but it will be done!

Do you think he operates alone or as part of a large team?

Let's keep matters in perspective.

melanzana

Whatever we all believe.

The Referendum was in June 2016.. That was six months ago.

And NOTHING has happened.

I am a tad sceptical about the timetable, but then again, what do I know... and do I REALLY matter at all in a personal capacity?

CLAPTON

melanzana wrote: »

I really don't thing the EU need to worry yet. They have all the cards in their pockets so far.

But anyway, this Brexit is going to wake us all up anyway!

the EU doesn't stand to gain or lose anything; the voters of Bavaria do however.