If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

£15bn sounds like a lot of money. Do you know how it compares to the same period last year?

Is it definitely a FACT or simply a politician's pronouncement?

My view is the UK will retain a strong economy and foreigners are buying assets with stronger currencies to ensure UK wealth can be exported via future dividend payments.

That's why I remain nearly 100% invested although I do have some doubts that we're going to see a post-Brexit surge in trade.

Good to see you have, at last, discovered foreigners putting money into the UK, isn't called inward investment any more and is bad news.
Better a late convert that no convert at all.

cogito

melanzana wrote: »

The no. 1 negotiator for Brexit Sir Ivan Rogers has just resigned. Or was he pushed?

He was the UK Ambassador to the EU and knew all the nooks and crannys about this. He apparently laid it on the line, and said that the exit would take years and might not be successful either at the end of the day. He knows and has worked with people from the EU for years, so he probably knows more than we do, since he sees things on the ground so to speak.

Now he's gone.

So a successor without all his contacts and experience needs to be found stat.

I really wonder if Whitehall has any Brexiteers at all! So who will be chosen as his inexperienced successor I wonder?

Theresa May is making a dog's dinner of all this really, and won't accept the experienced advice of a very senior diplomat/civil servant on the ground who knows the score.

But hey ho, she will find a way. Might take ten years longer, but it will be done!

He was due to retire next November so it makes complete sense that he should leave now rather than part way through negotiations.

The usual suspects are getting in a lather about this but he is a Europhile who typically went native. The last thing we need are people like that to lead negotiations.

melanzana

cogito wrote: »

He was due to retire next November so it makes complete sense that he should leave now rather than part way through negotiations.

The usual suspects are getting in a lather about this but he is a Europhile who typically went native. The last thing we need are people like that to lead negotiations.

Fair enough, but he has gone now and has no obligation to do a "handover" and provide a seamless transition. That could be a problem I think.

He had vast experience as to how the EU works, and had many close contacts in Brussels. Even until November (assuming a triggering of A50 in March) would have helped Brexit negotiations enormously I think.

Not so sure about that now.

CLAPTON

melanzana wrote: »

Fair enough, but he has gone now and has no obligation to do a "handover" and provide a seamless transition. That could be a problem I think.

He had vast experience as to how the EU works, and had many close contacts in Brussels. Even until November (assuming a triggering of A50 in March) would have helped Brexit negotiations enormously I think.

Not so sure about that now.

apart from actually going to the office every day, what exactly has he achieved in his career?
has he had experience of negotiating trade deals?

cogito

CLAPTON wrote: »

apart from actually going to the office every day, what exactly has he achieved in his career?
has he had experience of negotiating trade deals?

Actually, his greatest achievement was in royally cocking up negotiations with the EU over a new deal with the UK. His default position was to advise Cameron that if the EU said no, they meant it. If he had done the job that he was being paid to do (£170,000 per annum), he could have secured a deal that would have resulted in a Remain vote.

The Brexiteers should thank God for him every night.

melanzana

CLAPTON wrote: »

apart from actually going to the office every day, what exactly has he achieved in his career?
has he had experience of negotiating trade deals?

Did he have to negotiate any non EU Trade deals up to now though? Maybe you could advise.

He knows the run around, that is an advantage in Brussels and in the context of the Brexit trade deal negotiations. He knows the complexities involved, but the minute he said what he thought of the possible timetable, he was out.

The Brexit side did not like what he had to say did they? so now he is gone with no succession planning at all.

The_Last_Username

melanzana wrote: »

Fair enough, but he has gone now and has no obligation to do a "handover" and provide a seamless transition. That could be a problem I think.

He had vast experience as to how the EU works, and had many close contacts in Brussels. Even until November (assuming a triggering of A50 in March) would have helped Brexit negotiations enormously I think.

Not so sure about that now.

I would like evidence of what good these "close contacts in Brussels" have been to the UK so far - and especially since the referendum?
Because I for one have not seen a single positive word about the UK from any EU bureaucrat, but I have seen plenty negativity.

So "would have helped Brexit negotiations enormously"- for whom, though?
NOT for the UK, I suspect.
Ten years my arris.

melanzana

Brexit has ensured a divided country now. Polarisation is inevitable no matter how thoughtful and realistic people might be.

Disaster IMV.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Looks like a deflection from the original question given your concern for German exports must lie between 'who cares?' and 'couldn't give a monkey's'.

naturally YOU would expect a european country to be able to replace a loss of trade much better than the UK: however that doesn't constitute evidence or economic logic but merely a fanatics certainty in the holy EU.

A sensible person (without acolyte convictions) would understand that there are similar issues in gaining more trade between the Uk and Germany (or other EU countries).

CLAPTON

melanzana wrote: »

Brexit has ensured a divided country now. Polarisation is inevitable no matter how thoughtful and realistic people might be.

Disaster IMV.

many peoples all over the world, share your dislike of democracy.