If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

I'm merely suggesting that as you see yourself as a minority - Welsh. As a consequence you seem only to identify with other minority groups.

For Example.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/now-white-welsh-people-ethnic-2230283

OR



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cornish-people-formally-declared-a-national-minority-along-with-scots-welsh-and-irish-9278725.html

No that's just nonsense stuff....taken to extremes stuff. It is used by detractors to divert from the genuine issue:-

https://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M?list=UU9OuQ7JsCMN9syoG_kS3pqA

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

Just purely from an EU point as many on this thread have commented about who will win the Presidency next year.
I am guessing that by nominating someone further than normal right, who is NOT anti EU, to be the Rights candidate in the forthcoming French elections he will blunt the impact of the FN who are anti EU.
The run off is this weekend.

But many of Le Pen's policies are left wing - nationalization (of banks in particular), extending pension rights, championing public services, the protector of farmers and workers from globalisation. This lurch to the right might well be a mistake.

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

However if the second round is between Fillon and Le Pen the left will vote for Fillon to keep le Pen from power. I believe this happened to give Chirac victory in the past

Will they though? It's not that I think socialist supporters will vote for Le Pen - it's that they might not vote at all. Which is what happened with Hilary - she didn't get the democratic vote out.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

No that's just nonsense stuff....taken to extremes stuff. It is used by detractors to divert from the genuine issue:-

https://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M?list=UU9OuQ7JsCMN9syoG_kS3pqA

So you don't see yourself as part of a minority group?

You might find this interesting.

There has been extensive recent debate on the success or otherwise of ‘multiculturalism’.One key claim has been that multiculturalism has undermined
minority groups’ willingness or ability to sign up to the national identity of the country in which they live. National identification is widely regarded in the literature as an important indicator of the social cohesion within societies and to have implications for the incorporation or alienation of minorities.

https://www.understandingsociety.ac.uk/research/publications/working-paper/understanding-society/2013-08.pdf

mayonnaise

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Whoooops....

I propose a Brexit tax.
Maybe an additional levy on council tax based on the referendum result per constituency?
Sort of a sliding scale with large increases in strong brexit voting areas, no increase in remain voting areas.

setmefree2

"It will be impossible to do all the negotiations in the contemplated two-year period, that is why there is a growing feeling in Europe that there should be a transition period," the Taoiseach told me.

Sky News revealed on Thursday that a transition period is currently central to the European Union's strategy for Brexit talks.

Mr Kenny would not be drawn on the timescale for a transition deal, but privately Irish ministers have suggested three to five years to sort out the libraries of EU laws and trade arrangements into a new UK-EU deal.

Asked about a transition deal, Mr Kenny replied: "I think there's Inevitability abut this to be honest. In 50 years nobody has left the EU, this is the first time.
"It's more detailed and [includes more] unforeseen issues than people might have imagined.
"So I would expect to see the 'divorce', as it's called, take place and there be a transition period and a new relationship founded between the UK and the EU - and that transition might take longer than people expect."
Some EU capitals do not rule out a transition of up to a decade.

http://news.sky.com/story/irish-pms-tough-talk-reveals-candid-realities-of-brexit-10671954

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/story/irish-pms-tough-talk-reveals-candid-realities-of-brexit-10671954

it was interesting to listen to the interview with Kenny: he said that he had had NO discussions with his european colleagues on the matter of brexit yet although one was scheduled for their next meeting.

So the issues arises is : is his opinion based on analysis and discussion or simply one politicians views based on his Irish electorate.

wotsthat

"It will be impossible to do all the negotiations in the contemplated two-year period, that is why there is a growing feeling in Europe that there should be a transition period," the Taoiseach told me.

Statement of the bleeding obvious.

Much of the two years will be spent working out a timetable for future negotiations. It took 7 years for the Canadian deal to be concluded. Maybe we should expect it'll take less time than that because we start with a commonality of standards.

Project Lie predicted a sweet deal in short order and Project Fear 10 years of uncertainty. I know which one is currently looking the most likely.

I'm hoping we keep things pretty much as they are except we should leave the customs union just to test Project Lie's theory that there's a queue of nations just itching for a trade deal with the UK. Let's see how that goes before doing anything silly like compounding the !!!! up by cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

it was interesting to listen to the interview with Kenny: he said that he had had NO discussions with his european colleagues on the matter of brexit yet although one was scheduled for their next meeting.

So the issues arises is : is his opinion based on analysis and discussion or simply one politicians views based on his Irish electorate.

Yes, the journalist's conclusion is interesting too.

The uncertainty remains. But some of the contours of the Brexit process are now being revealed thanks to some candid realities from Britain's closest neighbours.

setmefree2

Jump in Export and Business Investment Underpins UK Economic Growth

UK economic growth was aided by a jump in exports and a surprise rise in business investment which has been labelled "another major blow to Brexit doomsayers".

UK GDP growth for the third quarter was confirmed as being unchanged in the ONS’ first review of their initial release.
Annualised GDP remains at 2.3% while quarterly growth is set at 0.5%.

The breakdown of expenditure in the GDP data reveals that consumer spending, which rose by a quarterly 0.7%, accounted for a sizeable part of Q3’s increase.
However, there were positive surprises in that it was revealed the key driver behind the strength in GDP growth was the external sector

After subtracting 0.8% in Q2, net trade provided a large boost of 0.7%, with exports rising by a quarterly 0.7% while imports fell by 1.5%.
“What’s more, the improvement in survey measures of firms’ export orders suggests that the drop in the Pound should have a greater beneficial effect on exports in time,” says Ruth Gregory at Capital Economics.
As we have noted in our various anecdotal interviews with UK businesses, the weaker Pound really is providing a positive shove for businesses following the EU referendum.
In addition we have found that those businesses that have too long leaned on Sterling’s strength and built their businesses around imports are going to have to rapidly shift strategy to build a more balanced business that derives value from a mix of both imports and exports.

There was another good surprise for the UK economy from the ONS.
Business investment for the third quarter rose 0.9% ahead of expectations for 0.6%, confirming that the vote to leave the EU has not resulted in a sudden drying up of investment.
“The eye-catcher was the rise in business investment to 0.9% on the quarter, further banishment of Britain’s doomsayers,” says Richard de Meo, Managing Director of Foenix Partners.
Capital Economics’ Ruth Gregory agrees that the reading puts paid to worries that referendum uncertainty would dampen spending in the immediate aftermath of the referendum.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/economics/5806-jump-in-exports-and-business-investment-q3-2016