If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You only talk about the abuse rings above because the failure in these cases fits in with how you see the world i.e these examples provide you with an excuse for your hate.

give me one example where I have expressed hate for anyone, any race, any creed, lgbt, etc

and note ; hate doesn't mean having a different view from you.

gfplux

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ahh the BBC omitting key points from the French presidential debate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38102512

Note the lack of what Fillon said about multiculturalism that actually has been reported elsewhere...

Does this mean Mr Fillon is a xenophobe? If so the probable choice for French citizens then appears to be between a xenophobe and another xenophobe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970726/The-second-French-revolution-Fillon-says-France-never-multicultural-warns-verge-revolt-vows-bring-radical-changes-society.html

https://www.rt.com/news/368131-fillon-wins-debate-juppe/

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-25/france-needs-someone-to-stop-le-pen

This goes back to what someone said about the BBC being a reliable source of news, I would temper that, whilst it's not 100% ridiculous and fake, it certainly distorts it to fit their own perspective it seems.

Just purely from an EU point as many on this thread have commented about who will win the Presidency next year.
I am guessing that by nominating someone further than normal right, who is NOT anti EU, to be the Rights candidate in the forthcoming French elections he will blunt the impact of the FN who are anti EU.
The run off is this weekend.

Moby

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Do you want a chance to retract that?

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UUUUh No!

In fact, your post is terrible. Truly truly terrible.

Touched a nerve did I;)

Racism is a form of discrimination based on ethnicity, which implies that ones own race is somehow superior.

Drivel

So when someone who is hetrosexual, male and white is offended by discriminatory comments made towards them by a different ethnic group denigrating them based on their ethnicity, it's not racism?

Read what I said....it depends what the dominant culture is in that society!

It has NOTHING to do with dominant culture, NOTHING!

It does actually. Read and learn.:)

I thought (in the Corbyn thread) we were merely trying to get across to you that a more egalitarian and free speech approach to the ills of society was better than political correctness. But you actually appear to believe this politically correct tripe if you think racism only affect minority groups.

Drivel

That Diane Abbott is not racist when she says white's love to divide and rule, she's bigoted. As if bigotry is somehow lower on the social justice pyramid than racism.

Again read what I said. It is because racism is bigotry with power to act on your bigotry. In the UK the dominant culture is white.

Who taught you this absolute crap? The civil service? Education? Who is to blame?

I see you have never studied sociology
Look and learn:-
http://www.debbyirving.com/qa/are-prejudice-bigotryand-racism-the-same-thing/

It's not just about ethnicity.....that's a common misconception! Racism is prejudice/bigotry with the added element of power to distribute resources in a discriminatory fashion. Apartheid in SA for example. See example below of the US system:-

Racism is the system that allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power. Since arriving on U.S. soil white people have used their power to create preferential access to survival resources (housing, education, jobs, food, health, legal protection, etc.) for white people while simultaneously impeding people of color’s access to these same resources.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Moby wrote: »

give me one example where I have expressed hate for anyone, any race, any creed, lgbt, etc

and note ; hate doesn't mean having a different view from you.

You continually blame immigrants for your lack of access to resources.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

I'm starting to see a scenario were Le Pen can win. Fillon is extremely right wing. He wants to ban gays adopting kids, get rid of 500,000 public sector jobs, raise the retirement age from 60 to 65 and raise the working week from 35 hours to 39. I'm not sure socialists will turn out to vote for him and this is required in the French system to beat Front National.

So Le Pen wins, there is a referendum - the French are more euro-sceptic than the Brits - they vote Leave the EU and the Euro- oh merde!

However if the second round is between Fillon and Le Pen the left will vote for Fillon to keep le Pen from power. I believe this happened to give Chirac victory in the past

Moby

veryintrigued wrote: »

Yet another forumite who has cracked open the Christmas sherry a little too early!

Same goes to you....read up on it. Why do you think a distinction is made between 'racism', 'prejudice' and 'bigotry'. These terms are not interchangeable.....just because we do in common parlance doesn't change their difference in a sociological sense. Racism is 'institutional', 'systemic'.....prejudice/bigotry more 'individual'!

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

For me, the current EU arrangement exposes all the most obvious weaknesses with the UK government.

Yes. We could build more houses; more schools; more hospitals. But, consistently, across all flavour of recent governments, we have failed to do so. We will fail even more in the future I am convinced.

It's still going on. The NHS complains daily about rising demand pressures.

And yet, we are still increasing the numbers in UK by 300K a year.

At what point do we realise that we don't have the infrastructure ambitions to match another 3 million people every decade?

Poland has had several million workers move abroad (at least) in just over a decade, and yet the EU pumps hundreds of billions of Euros in to Poland.

I struggle to understand the logic here. Shouldn't EU investment follow where the workers go?

Strange. Why do you feel the need to open a debate about Britains membership of the EU. You do know that Britain is leaving, or do you have doubts?

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

Just purely from an EU point as many on this thread have commented about who will win the Presidency next year.
I am guessing that by nominating someone further than normal right, who is NOT anti EU, to be the Rights candidate in the forthcoming French elections he will blunt the impact of the FN who are anti EU.
The run off is this weekend.

That would appear to be the aim yes.

But if as others have suggested and there's a suspicion he'll drop the policies as soon as he's in power, that'll blunt that effect.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

UUUUh No!
Touched a nerve did I;)

Drivel

Read what I said....it depends what the dominant culture is in that society!

It does actually. Read and learn.:)

Drivel

Again read what I said. It is because racism is bigotry with power to act on your bigotry. In the UK the dominant culture is white.

I see you have never studied sociology
Look and learn:-
http://www.debbyirving.com/qa/are-prejudice-bigotryand-racism-the-same-thing/

It's not just about ethnicity.....that's a common misconception! Racism is prejudice/bigotry with the added element of power to distribute resources in a discriminatory fashion. Apartheid in SA for example. See example below of the US system:-

Keep trying to dig yourself out of this hole, it's great viewing.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism

A left wing interpretation of racism is exactly what you just plastered all over this forum. And that's all it is, an interpretation.

FYI: Racism is not bigotry. See my post below for an education on the meaning of the word bigotry.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

Same goes to you....read up on it. Why do you think a distinction is made between 'racism', 'prejudice' and 'bigotry'. These terms are not interchangeable.....just because we do in common parlance doesn't change their difference in a sociological sense. Racism is 'institutional', 'systemic'.....prejudice/bigotry more 'individual'!

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prejudice

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bigotry

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism

No they're not interchangeable, you're right, they mean different things.

So when Diane Abbott was being racist, she was in fact being racist, and not bigoted because she's black and was racist towards white people.

Who taught you this?

Edit: Whoever they are want sacking, you can't interchange (as you are doing) the meaning of words to try and make certain types of racial prejudice not racism. We all speak English, once we start altering the meaning of words to suit an ideology we'll be lost to confusion forever.

I so hate the left wing at the moment, I'm very sorry to those genuine left wing people who believe in liberty, egalitarianism, eradication of all discrimination. Noble goals being made difficult by politicised social justice that delivers anything but the true meaning of social justice.

Edit 2: I did a little reading on who Debbie Irving is.

Absolute classic case of social justice "activist" (I prefer the term warrior) who believes in white privilege in America.

https://twitter.com/DebbyIrving/status/786558933167017984

The very people who are being discredited on BLM, gender wage gaps, cyber-touching, free speech, etc...